Monday, September 22, 2008

"An American Carol" -- a REAL AMERICAN movie

My friend David Zucker's new movie, "An American Carol," premieres in a little over a week. Zucker, you will recall, is the genius behind such comedy blockbusters as "Airplane" and "The Naked Gun" series and "An American Carol" is the same anything goes style of humor, with Michael Moore as the subject of the spoof (I bet you're already laughing just thinking of that leftist buffoon!)

Unlike other Hollywood movies, this one has real bad guys as the bad guys -- you know, Islamic fascists and their enablers and idolizers in Hollywood.

Everyone should go see this movie -- twice. And bring a couple of leftist friends.

50 comments:

Dora said...

While Rome burns, Evan.

New poll: Zero percent of Americans think national economy is improving.»

A new American Research Group poll shows that “[n]o Americans say that the national economy is getting better,” while 82 percent say it is getting much worse. Only 17 percent approve of President Bush’s handling of the economy, with 78 percent disapproving. Even among Republicans, more disapprove of his economic performance than approve:

Among Republicans, 46% approve of the way Bush is handling the economy and 48% disapprove. Among Democrats, 97% disapprove of the way Bush is handling the economy and 2% approve. Among independents, 8% approve and 87% disapprove of the way Bush is handling the economy.

Bush’s overall approval rating fell to 19 percent, from 30 percent last month, with 76 percent disapproving.

m. nite shagamalan said...

NINETEEN PERCENT!!

I had not realized that.

I knew that boy was a record setter when I first smelt him.

midnite in the bat cave said...

Zucker has made some funny movies.

Which brings us to the festering question: why is it that the only smart GOPigs are sociopaths?

You can be intellectually brilliant, like Zucker, and be a moral idiot.

You can be an intellectual moron, like Devon, and yet be trying to be a decent person.

Or you can be a moral and intellectual deviant like Sayet.

But you cannot be morally AND intellectually intelligent, and still be a Republican.

FJ said...

Still embracing your inner slave morality, eh midnite? And still haven't quite escaped the bat"cave", either...

Plato, "Republic"

I was going to observe, that the insatiable desire of this and the neglect of other things introduces the change in democracy, which occasions a demand for tyranny.

How so?

When a democracy which is thirsting for freedom has evil cup-bearers presiding over the feast, and has drunk too deeply of the strong wine of freedom, then, unless her rulers are very amenable and give a plentiful draught, she calls them to account and punishes them, and says that they are cursed oligarchs.

Yes, he replied, a very common occurrence.

Yes, I said; and loyal citizens are insultingly termed by her slaves who hug their chains and men of naught; she would have subjects who are like rulers, and rulers who are like subjects: these are men after her own heart, whom she praises and honours both in private and public. Now, in such a State, can liberty have any limit?

Certainly not.

By degrees the anarchy finds a way into private houses, and ends by getting among the animals and infecting them.

How do you mean?

I mean that the father grows accustomed to descend to the level of his sons and to fear them, and the son is on a level with his father, he having no respect or reverence for either of his parents; and this is his freedom, and the metic is equal with the citizen and the citizen with the metic, and the stranger is quite as good as either.

Yes, he said, that is the way.

And these are not the only evils, I said—there are several lesser ones: In such a state of society the master fears and flatters his scholars, and the scholars despise their masters and tutors; young and old are all alike; and the young man is on a level with the old, and is ready to compete with him in word or deed; and old men condescend to the young and are full of pleasantry and gaiety; they are loth to be thought morose and authoritative, and therefore they adopt the manners of the young.

Quite true, he said.

The last extreme of popular liberty is when the slave bought with money, whether male or female, is just as free as his or her purchaser; nor must I forget to tell of the liberty and equality of the two sexes in relation to each other.

Why not, as Aeschylus says, utter the word which rises to our lips?

That is what I am doing, I replied; and I must add that no one who does not know would believe, how much greater is the liberty which the animals who are under the dominion of man have in a democracy than in any other State: for truly, the she-dogs, as the proverb says, are as good as their she-mistresses, and the horses and asses have a way of marching along with all the rights and dignities of freemen; and they will run at any body who comes in their way if he does not leave the road clear for them: and all things are just ready to burst with liberty.

When I take a country walk, he said, I often experience what you describe. You and I have dreamed the same thing.

And above all, I said, and as the result of all, see how sensitive the citizens become; they chafe impatiently at the least touch of authority, and at length, as you know, they cease to care even for the laws, written or unwritten; they will have no one over them.

Yes, he said, I know it too well.

Such, my friend, I said, is the fair and glorious beginning out of which springs tyranny.

Glorious indeed, he said. But what is the next step?

The ruin of oligarchy is the ruin of democracy; the same disease magnified and intensified by liberty overmasters democracy—the truth being that the excessive increase of anything often causes a reaction in the opposite direction; and this is the case not only in the seasons and in vegetable and animal life, but above all in forms of government.

True.

The excess of liberty, whether in States or individuals, seems only to pass into excess of slavery.

Yes, the natural order.

And so tyranny naturally arises out of democracy, and the most aggravated form of tyranny and slavery out of the most extreme form of liberty?

As we might expect.

brettmcs said...

I hope it gets distributed down under. Probably closer to Christmas.

jay gould said...

I'm sure it will.

Down and under is their specialty.

Check this shit out. It seems they don't trust the senile guy.

CNN POLL: By a 2-to-1 ratio, Americans blame Republicans over Democrats for the financial crisis that has swept across the country the past few weeks, a new national poll suggests. Fifty-one percent of registered voters now say they will back Obama, five points ahead of McCain, at 46 percent.

grim said...

PALIN: THE PROBE SHE PREFERS
Posted: Tuesday, September 23, 2008 9:15 AM by Mark Murray
Filed Under: 2008, Palin

This is quite a lead from the AP. "Less than a week after balking at the Alaska Legislature's investigation into her alleged abuse of power, Gov. Sarah Palin on Monday indicated she will cooperate with a separate probe run by people she can fire. An attorney for the GOP vice presidential nominee met with an investigator for the state Personnel Board to discuss sharing documents and schedule witness interviews, McCain spokeswoman Meg Stapleton said. Neither she nor McCain spokesman Ed O'Callaghan had further details about the meeting and said they did not know if the governor or her husband would be interviewed."

Palin is so needed on the trail that they don't have her raising money anymore? see below:

Palin skips fundraisers; focuses on prep, crowds
By: Jonathan Martin
September 23, 2008 10:25 AM EST

John McCain’s campaign is scrapping, rescheduling or offering surrogates for nearly every one of the fundraisers Sarah Palin was to hold this month, instead having her campaign jointly with McCain, prepare for her sole debate next month and get some foreign policy exposure.

According to an internal fundraising calendar put together in late-August just before McCain’s vice presidential selection, Palin was to have headlined nine fundraisers across five states by now.

She’s attended just one to date.

And she’ll miss several more that had been in the works for this week, having reunited with McCain to stump in suburban Philadelphia Monday before heading to New York City for two days of meetings with foreign leaders in town for the United Nations General Assembly.

“It only makes sense that we would maximize her time and make sure the schedule lets her spend time meeting with voters, mobilizing volunteers and communicating her record,” said an aide to Palin, requesting anonymity to discuss strategic matters.

It also provides Palin more time to prepare for her ongoing policy crash course ahead of her October 2 debate with Democratic vice presidential nominee Joe Biden in St. Louis and to get the sort of first-hand accounts on global affairs that she, by her own admission, has never previously received.

As for the trek to New York, Palin’s aide said: “It provides a great opportunity to meet and discuss world issues with the same leaders she would be dealing with as vice president.”

The finance calendar was planned before Palin was tapped, stressed this aide, and it's being adjusted now to fit the nominee.

Indeed, the tearing up of the planned schedule for the then-unknown number two is yet another reminder of the outsized role Palin is playing in the race and what an untraditional vice presidential candidate she is. Most running mates are designated attack dogs, dispatched to toss out hunks of red meat in B-markets and squeeze in fundraising receptions as often as possible. The idea is to divide and conquer, ensuring local coverage in separate media markets each day.

And that was originally the plan for Palin as late as the week of the GOP convention, according to McCain aides.

But almost immediately after St. Paul, it became clear to the campaign that she was essential to the Republican ticket’s buzz quotient and thus needed at McCain’s side to ensure large crowds and enthusiasm for the GOP ticket. A schedule built around solo grip-and-grin sessions with well-heeled donors was no longer deemed as the best use of her time.

Recognizing her appeal — and fearing the embarrassment of dismal crowds without her — McCain’s campaign has taken the unusual step of having the nominee and his running mate on the same stage together at rallies all over the country.

Palin is no less an attraction without McCain, something that was made abundantly clear Sunday night when she drew tens of thousands supporters out to a central Florida retirement community, at least doubling the crowd President Bush brought out to the same place four years ago.

“That just answered the question,” quipped GOP strategist Scott Reed, pointing to the droves of Floridians who braved 90-degree heat to get a glimpse of Palin as enough explanation as to why the campaign was scratching her from fundraisers. “She’s become the secret weapon because she invigorates the base and drives the news.”

Palin, despite being absent from the money circuit for most of this month, has already been a boon to McCain’s fundraising. Aides said $10 million of the $47 million the campaign raised in August came in the three remaining days of the month after she was tapped. When she and McCain do raise money between now and Election Day, it is for a joint fund to mostly benefit the RNC and some state parties.

But the decision to alter Palin’s schedule so dramatically is wreaking havoc on a calendar of long-planned fundraisers and forcing aides to quickly decide how to best spend each day before November 4.

Invitations for a luncheon slated for Monday in Minneapolis, for example, had been sent to Minnesota Republicans a month ago, touting a then-unknown vice presidential nominee.

But Palin was en route to Pennsylvania to be at McCain’s side for a joint rally in a critical county, so the event has been cancelled and may not be rescheduled.

Some events are being pushed back to next month. Fundraisers that had been slated for later this week in California will now be held in the first week in October, aides said.

“Finances are almost on par between the candidates,” Reed continued, “so the best thing she can do is create enthusiasm and prepare for the big debate. Everything else is a distant second.”

Indeed, after months of Republican fretting and expectation-setting about a money gap, the campaigns are about even when party money is included. As of the end of August, Obama and the Democratic National Committee had a combined $95 million to McCain and the RNC’s $94 million. And, thanks to his decision to take matching public funds, McCain has $84 million extra coming courtesy of the federal government.

Others are being held as scheduled, just featuring prominent stand-ins for Palin. Donors attending what had been scheduled as a vice presidential event Wednesday in Jackson Hole, Wyoming, and for example, will see the ticket’s spouses, Cindy McCain and Todd Palin.

In addition to the political imperatives that have driven the schedule changes, Palin’s fundraising efforts have also been limited by Mother Nature. The remnants of Hurricane Ike scuttled two events in Ohio.

Palin aides said she’ll do more fundraising in October, but will also continue to stump as often as she can, both with and without McCain.

“We’ll have them campaigning together and we’ll have them campaigning apart in a way that we think makes most sense as we manage against the two finite commodities that all campaigns have to manage against, which is time and money with 43 days left to go,” was how campaign chief Steve Schmidt put it on a conference call with reporters Monday.

Anonymous said...

Now, doesn't this just say it all about Unstable/ Unable supporters:

Image of Virgin Mary Found In Palin’s Bouffant
September 23, 2008 · Filed Under 2008 Election, Sarah Palin, Satire





(Palin with image of the Blessed Mother just above the bangs)





(Tampa, Fla) During a campaign appearance by Vice presidential nominee Sarah Palin at a retirement village in Tampa, Florida, onlookers were stunned to see what they believed to be an image of the Blessed Mother Mary embedded in Palin’s wrapped puffed-up do.

“At first I thought it was just one of those Love Bugs y’get caught in the car grill, ” said 82-year-old Hubert Henry. “But then it started glowin’ like the baby Jesus I seen last year in the window at the Stuckey’s just of Route 1 in Hulmville. Damn miracle, I tellya.”

McCain spokesman, Tucker Bounds, said that while the selection of Palin was a miracle for the campaign, the viability of Palin being chosen by the Virgin Mary to appear in her hair was something he’d rather leave up to the voter.


“People, and that includes Christians, are going to make up their mind on the issues,” said Bounds. “If the fact that some people believe that the Blessed Mother of Jesus and Sarah being somehow intertwined is an issue, so be it.”

“I knew it. I knew it. I knew that girl was special,” said 96 year-old Edna Baily, ” I’m saying twelve Hail Marys then I’m pulling the lever for Sarah, that older fella and Jesus.”

Anonymous said...

Now, doesn't this just say it all about Unstable/ Unable supporters:

Image of Virgin Mary Found In Palin’s Bouffant
September 23, 2008 · Filed Under 2008 Election, Sarah Palin, Satire





(Palin with image of the Blessed Mother just above the bangs)





(Tampa, Fla) During a campaign appearance by Vice presidential nominee Sarah Palin at a retirement village in Tampa, Florida, onlookers were stunned to see what they believed to be an image of the Blessed Mother Mary embedded in Palin’s wrapped puffed-up do.

“At first I thought it was just one of those Love Bugs y’get caught in the car grill, ” said 82-year-old Hubert Henry. “But then it started glowin’ like the baby Jesus I seen last year in the window at the Stuckey’s just of Route 1 in Hulmville. Damn miracle, I tellya.”

McCain spokesman, Tucker Bounds, said that while the selection of Palin was a miracle for the campaign, the viability of Palin being chosen by the Virgin Mary to appear in her hair was something he’d rather leave up to the voter.


“People, and that includes Christians, are going to make up their mind on the issues,” said Bounds. “If the fact that some people believe that the Blessed Mother of Jesus and Sarah being somehow intertwined is an issue, so be it.”

“I knew it. I knew it. I knew that girl was special,” said 96 year-old Edna Baily, ” I’m saying twelve Hail Marys then I’m pulling the lever for Sarah, that older fella and Jesus.”

Justin said...

Of course, a post about a movie turns to simple minded attacks on Palin and Mccain. Oh well - I guess I'll join in. The fact is that the we have two liberals running for President. One is a moderate democrat and the other is a flaming left winger. I am finding that I cannot defend Mccain anymore because he's a f*cking liberal moron. Why can't Republicans figure out what the democrats have always known - always surround yourself with your own people - people that you trust. Lewinski Clinton did it, and I'm sure Osama Obama will as well. Not only do you need to appoint your own party to all positions and fire all of the opposition party from the administration that you can, you need to push your own agenda without compromise. If nothing gets done, the government will be better for it. Every time the government adds a new program, it degrades our freedom. When Bush reached across the isle he was stabbed in the back every time. The same will happen to Mccain. Like recent events with Bush and the Republican congress, failed liberal policies look like the fault of Republicans when they "work with domocraps". Furthermore, Palin will be stained by Mccain's idiocy, which is a shame. We need a complete flush of congress, term limits, line item veto, and a reduction of congressional benefits. That's the only way we will have representatives that truly "represent", instead of Washington insiders plagued with greed.

F*ck Mccain, F*ck Congress, and F*ck the liberal socialist pigs that are destroying this country. All the same, I'll be voting for the f*ckhead this November because Osama will be a disaster. It's like choosing which sh*t hole to jump into.

devon said...

I agree about McCain, Justin but his assention will mean Ms. President Palin and we could not hope for do better than that.

Who cares as he will soon be called.

What liberals has McCain surrouned him self with? I have not seen any.

Do you mean the financial crisis has been blamed on President Bush unfairly? I know it has but do not understnad economics well as my specialty is the food industry but not the business end.

Justin said...

The financial crisis was caused by democrats - They've pretty much even admitted it, yet the republicans arn't attacking! Read this:
How the Democrats Created the Financial Crisis: Kevin Hassett

And yes, McCain recently said he would put a flaming liberal, Andrew Cuomo, one of the people responsible for the financial crisis, in charge of the SEC:


On "60 Minutes" Sunday evening, McCain, saying "this may sound a little unusual," said that he would like to replace Cox with Andrew Cuomo, the Democratic attorney general of New York who is the son of former governor Mario Cuomo. McCain explained that Cuomo has "respect" and "prestige" and could "lend some bipartisanship." Conservatives have been warned.

Mccain is a moron.

John said...

Justin, I just stopped to provide the link to that very article. No need now. Good job.

Dora said...

a guy from the American Enterprise Institute blames the Dems... shocker...

great movies of the 21st century said...

Are you sure it's called, "An American Carol," Evan? I heard that they were going to release it as a spoof on the old Korean War classic, Hamburger Hill. But I could be wrong. :)

Justin said...

Dora - Instead of attacking the messenger, for once, why don't you attack the message. This is typical liberal behavior. When they can't argue the facts themselves, they attack the deliverer or the delivery of the facts. Anyway, it is not about YOU or your airhead of a candidate. You didn't even like him until your precious Hillary was defeated. This is about McCain and his idiotic behavior and ideas. You see, conservatives in general are much more critical of their own party than democrats are. Democrats rarely to never demand the resignation of their own, regardless of the charge. Blind ignorance. Conservatives are very willing to remove the corrupt members of their party - we do it all the time.

Anonymous said...

Yeah, you do it all the time...

hahahahahahahahahha...you fucking lemmings are dead right now and don't even know it.

Anonymous said...

With you crackpots, the messenger is the message. We know what the message is before we bother to read the biased horse shit...as if anyone would bother with a source like that.

Justin said...

Go ahead - keep exposing yourselves for what you really are. Blind religious followers of liberalism.

nanc said...

we'll be going to see it! tell mr. zanuck there will be four from nancfamily.

sick half to death of most of the garbage hollywood is putting out these days.

another good one coming out is "fireproof" - no more supporting the liberal elites. let them pander to the base nature of their counterparts.

Dora said...

You see, conservatives in general are much more critical of their own party than democrats are. Democrats rarely to never demand the resignation of their own, regardless of the charge. Blind ignorance. Conservatives are very willing to remove the corrupt members of their party - we do it all the time.

Rofl. Sriously, if you honestly believe all that, you are beyond help.

FJ said...

Yes, Bill Clinton was such a sterling example of taking responsibility...

Just like Charlie Rangel, last week.

midnite said...

Halleluhah!

We may finally be getting the reaction from the public that we've been waiting for.
And, since polls show they overwhelmingly know who caused this, the loathing should soon extend to that pack of pigs, as well.

First Fear, Then Loathing, Toward Wall Street

Allison Linn

"As Americans digest a dizzying series of events that has left Wall Street shaken to its core, the mood on Main Street is shifting from fear to loathing. They are angry that government regulators did not do enough to prevent this - and protect them - in the first place. They are upset the government is proposing billions of dollars in bailouts for Wall Street, even as many regular Americans are struggling to hang onto their homes and pay their bills."

Dora said...

Yes, Bill Clinton was such a sterling example of taking responsibility...

Just like Charlie Rangel, last week.


Oh, you're absolutely right. Starting an oil war and torturing people and destroying the economy, that's nothing compared to Clinton and Rangel.

how stupid is this guy? said...

"When the stock market crashed, Franklin D. Roosevelt got on the television and didn't just talk about the, you know, the princes of greed. He said, 'Look, here's what happened,'" Joe Biden, today

FJ said...

Oh, you're absolutely right. Starting an oil war and torturing people and destroying the economy, that's nothing compared to Clinton and Rangel.

Did they do anything wrong? Did they ever step up and take responsibility for it?

midnite in whiny town said...

As I recall Bubba got Le Medallion de Virilite' from L'Academie Francaise for his exploits in the Whitehouse.

He accepted that with modesty and grace. I thought that was admirable.

j gould said...

This week, the Bush administration announced the beginnings of a plan to salvage what remains of the financial markets. At first glance, it appears that the plan will consist mainly of creating a kind of "garbage pit," a fund or group of funds -- cousins of the Resolution Trust that was created during the S&L crisis -- into which those people who have dabbled in bad debts can toss their problems. Only this time the cost to the taxpayers is at least $700 billion... and a big bite out of representative democracy.

The expansion of unregulated Savings and Loans in the 1980s brought on the collapse of that industry, a crippling of the economy, and left taxpayers holding the bag. Maybe that was only happenstance. Those pushing for the Garn-St. Germain Depository Institutions Act may not have known what they were doing.

The deregulation of the California electricity market, along with the protections provided to Enron through Phil Gramm's lobbyist-written legislation brought blackouts, fiscal and political chaos, and left taxpayers holding the bag. But the people who engineered that event -- people like Gramm and Greenspan -- had already seen what happened with the S&Ls. They should have known better. Still, perhaps that was only coincidence.

The sub-prime mortgage crisis that has not only come so close to utterly destroying the markets, but has ruined the value of many people's homes and left millions with mortgages they can't pay, was also the outcome of the deregulation created by these men. The very predictable outcome. When taxpayers are left holding the bag for $1 trillion this time around, it's hard to believe it's any sort of accident.

This is enemy action. This is a bullet deliberately fired into the economy by men willing to exercise their ideology regardless of the cost to taxpayers. Men who have every expectation that they can plunder the system again and again, while the public picks up the tab. John McCain may not have had his finger directly on the trigger, but he was there. He assisted. These were his personal friends and philosophical comrades. He may not be the high priest, but he has been a loyal acolyte in the cult of deregulation.

It may come as a surprise to the champions of deregulation, but nobody likes regulation. The restrictions that were placed on banks, S&Ls, and other institutions in the 1930s weren't put there because someone thought it would be fun. They were put in place because they addressed problems that had just been clearly and painfully revealed. They were put in place because they were necessary.

It's bad enough if John McCain didn't know that. It's far worse if he did.

suze said...

Well, well, well: The bailout for Paulson:

Conflict Of Interest? Report Says Goldman Sachs ‘Among Biggest Beneficiaries’ Of Paulson’s Bailout

In making his push to administer the largest federal bailout of Wall Street in history, Treasury Secretary Henry Paulson is seeking unfettered authority. McClatchy poses the question today, “can you trust a Wall Street veteran with a Wall Street bailout?,” referring to Paulson, the former CEO of Goldman Sachs:

But the conflicts are also visible. Paulson has surrounded himself with former Goldman executives as he tries to navigate the domino-like collapse of several parts of the global financial market. And others have gone off to lead companies that could be among those that receive a bailout.

In late July, Paulson tapped Ken Wilson, one of Goldman’s most senior executives, to join him as an adviser on what to about problems in the U.S. and global banking sector. Paulson’s former assistant secretary, Robert Steel, left in July to become head of Wachovia, the Charlotte-based bank that has hundreds of millions of troubled mortgage loans on its books.

Goldman Sachs cashed in under Paulson, with earnings in 2005 of $5.6 billion; Paulson made more than $38 million that year. A 2005 annual report shows that “Goldman was still a significant player” in issuing mortgage bonds. The conflict of interest is increasingly clear today, as Bloomberg reports that “Goldman Sachs Group Inc. and Morgan Stanley may be among the biggest beneficiaries” of Paulson’s bailout plan:

Goldman Sachs Group Inc. and Morgan Stanley may be among the biggest beneficiaries of the $700 billion U.S. plan to buy assets from financial companies while many banks see limited aid, according to Bank of America Corp.


“Its benefits, in its current form, will be largely limited to investment banks and other banks that have aggressively written down the value of their holdings and have already recognized the attendant capital impairment,” Jeffrey Rosenberg, Bank of America’s head of credit strategy research, wrote in a report today, without identifying particular investment banks.”

The conflict of interest provides all the more reason for the bailout legislation in Congress to have more stringent oversight that the administration opposes.

The Wonk Room notes six months ago, Paulson claimed, “our banks and investment banks, are strong.”

4:23 PM


Dora said...
Only if they're Democrats, an unsurprisingly high 1/3 of whom admitted to harboring racist attitudes against blacks by a recent--and respected--poll survey.

I'm sure the MSN would do this kind of poll of Republicans if they had a black nominee for president. I assure you, if that ever happens, I will eat my hat.

And, again, good luck convincing the NY, OH, and PA rednecks to turn in their guns, reycle regularly, and stop going to church.

Stop going to church? No one is going to force them to stop going to church. Turn in their guns and recycle regularly? Yeah, probably. But hey, fi they don't like America, they can always go to redstatia.

"john, you've been college, right?"

Haven't you been paying attention?

"what's the value of college?"

Uhhh...24/7 beer on tap in the fraternity house, and eager co-eds?

"what does one learn in college, generally?"

Uhhh...that eager co-eds are easier when 24/7 beer on tap is made available?

(it's empirically true, as proven over and over again by the scientific method)

Nice dodge. Try again to answer the question for real this time.

Conservatives love the elite among us, whether in business, art, sports, or even dynasty, loving them for their uplifting and inspiring excellence.

It's true, you do. You just disdain and disparage any elite who doesn't agree with you.

The Left does not lke true excellence--the conservative elite-- because it makes their "elites" the sorry mediocrities and outright frauds that they are by comparison.

lol that is just so ridiculous. all Democratic accomplished people are frauds? lol

Clinton, Edwards, Obama, and Biden have been suckling off the tax-milked teat of government (a.k.a. "public service") before they ever had a real job-- and never would have one.
...unless, of course, you count their brief forays in the legal field fresh out of college and prior to their celebrated debut as career "public servants" real jobs.

Well, sonny, firstly you're wrong on the facts at least with respect to Edwards. He made his vast fortune as an ambulance chasing lawyer, not in public service.

Clinton, Obama and Biden have spent most of their lives working in the public service. MY question is, WHY IS THAT BAD?!?!

It's like Dems can't win -- if they work for public service, "they never had jobs," and if they don't, then they're evil. Ugh.

All 4 of these men made their names themselves, you can't take that away from them. Clinton was born into squalor, Obama grew up with a single mom on food stamps, Biden was from a working class family, and Edwards is the son of a mill worker, as he likes to point out.

Why anyone would hold this against them and disparage them for it, and for the success they have made out of their lives, is completely beyond me, and I think is quite shameful.

Meanwhile, MBA Bush worked in the rough-and-tumble crapshoot of the Texas oil exploration industry, owned and managed a major league baseball team, and even managed to learn how to fly Air Force jets before becoming a popular governor of the Great State of Texas.

Are you kidding? Seriously, are you this stupid?! The only reason he had the chance to do all those things was because he was from a rich dynasty with a rich and well-connected daddy that managed to keep him out of Vietnam, and to finance his repeated failures to succeed in the business world. Bush would be driving a truck if he hadn't been legacied into Yale and Harvard, my friend. Don't you ever forget it.

Mac's a war hero.

Don't forget that Maccy wouldn't have had the chance to be shot down in Vietnam and become a war hero if he wasn't legacied into the Naval Academy int he first place.

Both he and Bush were born with silver spoons, whereas Biden, Obama, Clinton, Edwards, Hillary Clinton too -- were all born into complete working or middle class mediocrity.

Fuhget about it. She's the most authentic "normal" person of them all, but while shamelessly try to doll up your Democratic senators as ordinary Joes, you viciously attack and disqualify her precisely because she's a real Jane.

She is pretty mediocre. 6 colleges in 5 years, etc. She's a pitbull though, but I don't think that qualifies her to be president.

You informed:'

"(btw, Edwards and Biden are not Ivy-educated)."

You're nitpicking.

It's a fact. What happened to rigor and precision?

Right. And Al Gore chewed tobbacy in Tenesseee. And John Kerry is a deer-hunter.

I didn't say anything about them. Al Gore is from a dynasty too, undeniable, but not one as massive and wealthy as Bush. i don't know very much about Kerry's biography, I'd have to look it up. From what I understand, he's not from wealthy stock either.

And Bill Clinton used to yahoo around in a pick-up truck with astro-turf on it's bed.

Well, Clinton really is a redneck.

It's true, trailer park and all. So to call him "elitist" and Dubya "the common man" is completely ridiculous.

And [Bush and McCain] both properly rebelled against what that status expected of them in their youth, while eschewing the protocols and rote behaviors demanded of them both in Annapolis, Yale, and Harvard, as is proper for true elites in their youth, and very much unlike the unctuous, flattering, brown-nosing, and outright phoniness programmed into young elitist who learned how to play--not buck--the System.

Oh please. They rebelled, but they went - one to Yale and harvard, and the other to the Naval Academy. And then they went, one into the military and the other into business and his daddy's footsteps. Neither ever cast off the advantages given to them by their dynasty status, and used them to their fullest advantage.

Maverick McCain and Calamity Jane Palin are buckaroos, true outsiders and agents of change

There's no way you believe the shit you type.

--as Dubya also most certainly was, having changed the map (and the skylines of cities from coast-to-coast, as well as in Baghdad and Kabul).

Oh yeah, great.

Clinton, Edwards, Obama, and Biden grease the staus quo.

Oh yeah, Obama especially. LOL you are truly a marvel of stupidity.

"McCain is a 3rd-generation Navy legacy who was legacied into the Naval Academy, and then married a super-rich heiress."

Every young, red-blooded American male's dream (if not the American one).

The dream of impotent losers on the right who can't make their own way to success.

suze said...

You see, conservatives in general are much more critical of their own party

indeed, many were so crtitical of the gop that they finally decided to abandon it; and now bush has the support of 19% of the public...

suze said...

ha! palin watched the tina fey comedy routine on snl "with the sound turned all the way down," but found it "hilarious."

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Kc9mPh1idj0


definitely, not the sharpest knife in the drawer.........

Anonymous said...

Baltimore Sun: "Like it or not, we're all socialists now. You can thank those free-market conservatives and their deregulatory idol, George W. Bush, for that. Conservatives love to wield the word socialism like some all-purpose, liberal-slaying sword. Redistribution to the poor, the right to unionize and affirmative action are decried as anti-market, unfair advantages for filthy socialists who can't compete and fail to appreciate the almighty, equalizing power of self-determination and an unfettered market. To social conservatives, Darwinism is merely an unproven "theory" about how our species evolved. But "social Darwinism" is an ineluctable fact: The smart and hardworking prosper, while the stupid and lazy fail. Yet notice how those same chest-thumping capitalists of talk radio and at the corporate-funded think tanks often fall silent in the face of fixed markets, no-bid contracts, bailouts and subsidies for the very corporations that demand less government oversight when things are going well, then turn to Washington when things go horribly wrong." 9/24

Anonymous said...

Socialism for corporations...that is the definition of fascism.

They've almost got us there, and it's clear from the way they ran this last scam that it has all been planned for a long time.

Justin said...

Most conservatives are against the Paulson bailout plan, and Paulson is by no means an authentic free market conservative. Conservatives believe that failing companies should actually fail. Fannie and Freddie should be completely disbanded, and we should learn a lesson from what happens when the Government tries to force it's social ideas on the market - in this case by backing high risk loans. That is what happened here of course. Government backed loans to people without the means to pay them off - some of those people without any source of income whatsoever. The democrats are behind those programs, the recent mismanagement, and lack of regulation. Corruption is ripe in todays democrat congress.

Of course, the republican party as a whole has become more liberal and socialist as well - which was exactly my point when I was criticizing McCain. Look at all the liberals here jumping on the republicans when their party espouses liberal/socialist principals. If a democrat is responsible for a failing government program, all that is talked about are the "good intentions" behind its creation. If a republican tries to work with democrats and comes up with a socialist program - like the "No Child Left Behind" bill written by Ted Kennedy - the democrats jump ALL OVER republican asses without even mentioning the primary author of the bill! You can't criticize a Kennedy! F*cking democrats.

midnite for muddlers said...

The foolish, reckless, sophomoric neocons who planned on a century of American dominance over the world have, in a few short, disastrous years, instead put us on the verge of losing our preeminent position in the world and made us into a hated, reviled and greatly weakened laughing stock.

Never have so few morons done so much damage in so short a time:

'Threatened by a "financial tsunami," the world must consider building a financial order no longer dependent on the United States, a leading Chinese state newspaper said on Wednesday.' 9/24

Anonymous said...

Unlike other Hollywood movies, this one has real bad guys as the bad guys -- you know, Islamic fascists

Really? Gee, I'm a lot more worried about Ziofascists. You know -- the kind of subversives who like to spread vicious anti-Arab lies in order to make it easier to USE America for the sake of a foreign country. To get it in involved in monstrous quagmires which destroy its economy and its reputation, kill its youth and destroy its moral fiber. Those kind of subversive assholes.

And to call this a real American movie... what a perverted, dishonest, little rat.

Anonymous said...

Lotsa luck with that "the democrats did it" spin, Justin. The country is sick enough of your poison as it is.

where's mitt? said...

Short Sightedness...A Chronic GOP Disease:

There's a reason they're hiding S. Palin. What's your reaction when you think of her handling one of history's greatest financial disasters?

But think, what if McCain had picked Mitt Romney as his veep choice, like so many of us were fervently hoping?

Sure, the rollout wouldn't have give McCain a fraction of the attention and excitement that Palin generated. The GOP ticket's (now evaporated) post-convention bump would've been smaller, and maybe Romney would've been less effective at revving up the fundy base.

But right now? Romney would be kicking ass. The media would treat him with deference as an economic expert, and let's be honest, he does looks straight out of central casting for the role of "serious businessman who we should defer to on the economy". McCain wouldn't have to hide him. Romney could make the media rounds, being taken seriously no matter what GOP gibberish he spouted. Rather than flail and cower, a McCain/Romney ticket would look sure-footed and confident, projecting gravitas in a time of uncertainty.

What's more, McCain would no longer look like a political opportunist in his VP choice. He'd be lauded for being such a "maverick", picking his greatest primary rival. The GOP and its apologists could say, with a straight face, that McCain put "country first", and actually get away with it since it's obvious McCain personally loathes Romney.

Good thing Mittens was snubbed. Watching Palin hide from the media as McCain's numbers are battered by this crisis, it's good for us that McCain put politics first before country.

Justin said...

Lotsa luck with that "the democrats did it" spin, Justin. The country is sick enough of your poison as it is.

More empty words - completely devoid of content. It's either one of these template retorts, or the entire contents of some Daily Kos posting. Where is the content, the individual thought? There is none!


"Lotsa luck with that "the republicans did it" spin, Dora. The country is sick enough of your poison as it is."

"With you liberal crackpots, the messenger is the message. We know what the message is before we bother to read the biased horse shit...as if anyone would bother with a source like that."

"Yeah, you do it all the time...
hahahahahahahahahha...you fucking liberal lemmings are dead right now and don't even know it."

"Rofl. Dora - Sriously, if you honestly believe all that, you are beyond help."

Anonymous said...

lol. Really, Justin? If you don't know what that means, you're seriously lagging in your "individual thought."

Evan Sayet said...

First, the president's approval ratings are around 31 percent. Leftist Congress? About 9.

Second, despite the writings of those whose thighs tingle just looking at The Anointed One, he just can't close the deal. In fact, state-by-state he's in big trouble and that's before his attempts to undermine the protest against Ahmadinejad by strong-arming and threatening the Jews, and Joseph Biden's telling the people who Obama hates (you know, the folks who "cling" to their American values) that the Democrats are going to sell them out to China and not include clean coal in their latest energy scheme.

Meanwhile, while the American hero, John McCain, puts his political ambitions on hold to deal with a financial crises, Obama tells America to go to hell so he can try and grab personal power for himself and his allies William Ayers, Tony Rezko, the folks at Fannie Mae, and, of course, his lifelong mentor, the Reverend Jeremiah Wright.

Anonymous said...

Wow...Sayet just gave his integrity quotient another big shot in the arm with those phony poll numbers.

No wonder he's a McCain fan...they lie even when everyone knows they're lying.

Some serious pathology there.

votskii said...

And, the old fart who told us just days ago how "sound" the economy is is getting his brain beat out and wants to take a standing eight count.

Yeah, the country really needs this economic illiterate to put his last standing synapse to work on the economy.

A desperation political move, pure and simple.

suze said...

31%? Yeahrightsure. You wish!!!!...and that's the really PA.THET.IC part. You stretched that number as far as you thought you could without even the conservatives LOLing in your face. but, it's really just another republican iie. source? FOX viewers?

and, walnuts is so chickeshit scared of debating the O man that he uses the financial crisis to call a halt to his campaign....and coincidentally to that first, critical debate on the economy, something about which walnuts hasn't a clue.

then you try a little diversion by throwing out some bogus congresional.

you are really, seriously and wildly insane.

suze said...

that's bogus congressional percentage, btw.

Justin said...

Bush does have an approval rating of 31.5% today according to the RCP average. I don't know what cavity you're pulling your numbers from. Congress is still lower than Bush at 21%.

I'm on the "I don't approve of any of the bastards in charge of either" side right now. This bailout is a clusterf*ck.

country anal said...

So is Barack gonna show us some of his stuff by fixing the economy in DC this weekend, or is he gonna debate himself and tell people what he would have done to fix the economy had he already been a US Senator?

Wait a minute... isn't he already a US Senator?

suze said...

oh, so it's realclearpolitics' poll. well, that certainly explains the numbers.

Anonymous said...

So, these peabrains think you have to be physically in DC to have your input considered?

I mean, they could just as easily laugh at McCain's "ideas" if they heard them during the debate...in which he would have to tell everyone why he thought the economy was all so SOUND only a few days ago.

That's OBVIOUSLY what's terrifying the old fuck and making hime duck out.

too impotent to show up said...

Obama's trying to be our first "telecommuter President". LOL! What a moron.

Tell you what, Barack, go back to Chicago and never leave. We'll just have President McCain tie you in on WH Conference Calls and keep you on mute for the next four years.