What a great speech by McCain. He talked of things Democrats don't understand. Things like patriotism, things like personal responsibility, things like individuality.
Democrats may not understand these things, but many who THINK they are Democrats because the party was ONCE great, or because they've been brainwashed into not thinking at all, DO believe in these things. There's none of them on the left and McCain made clear (yet again) that they are the very stuff of the right.
As you know, I am not supporting McCain at this time. I prefer Guiliani. But my differences with McCain are not in vision but in policy. In other words, Hillary Rodham-Clinton and Barack H. Obama do not believe in personal responsibility, they believe in a welfare state where riches are entitlements that come with no responsibility at all. Ms. Rodham-Clinton made exactly this point in his "Happy Holiday" ad in which she sees the people as children and herself as Santa Claus giving all the "nice children" free healthcare and better schools and more money.
Democrats do not believe in patriotism. They don't consider themselves Americans. They believe themselves to be "citizens of the world." Patriotism scares them for the Democrat sees it as "xenophobia," perfectly exemplified by B. Obama's refusal to show the flag and the national anthem honor at his gatherings and the only-during-election-year wearing of American flag pins by the leftists.
Democrats do not believe in individuality. They only believe in "being yourself" so long as "yourself" is exactly like them. If you think differently you must be stifled for "hate speech," if you're black and you don't vote Democrat you're attacked as an "Uncle Tom" or worse.
This race is really between America and the anti-Americans and I am convinced that the vast majority of Americans -- even those who mindlessly vote Democrat -- love this country and recognize it's greatness and that greatness needs to be defended.
So, if the nominee were McCain...or Giuliani...or Mitt...or Huckabee...or...Thompson, I'd proudly support them knowing I'm supporting America and the values that made America great.
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I wonder how they would have that in the 1911 encyclopedia...
There is a disproportionate number of liberals in the media
Because there is a disproportionate number of liberals among people with college degrees.
funny, that...
The MSM's diverse newsroom make them feel powerful littlejohnie.
Oh, and practically any opinion on answers to moral questions.
You look in an encyclopedia moral guidance now?
Wow!
Because there is a disproportionate number of liberals among people with college degrees.
How many times are we going to have to drive a stake thru THAT myth's heart, dora. It's already been disproven how many times here & elsewhere?
There hasn't been a remotely liberal "media" for thirty years. In any other period...the NYTimes for instance, was one of the biggest pushes behind the war and behind the bogus Whitewater nonsense. The media is utterly corrupted and "corporate." They care nothing about anything but the bottom line and generally lean very strongly to the right. If you hear anyone accepting the point about the liberal media, you know you are dealing with a liar or a political naif. It's as discredited, tiresome and threadbare as the rest of the pathetic crap everyone in America has stopped listining to. Stupid repetition, to "catupult the propaganda" works very well for a while, then it becomes extremely counter productive...like your drivel is now. It's why America hates you.
How many times are we going to have to drive a stake thru THAT myth's heart, dora. It's already been disproven how many times here & elsewhere?
Exit Polls 2004
No College Degree (57%)
Democrat 48%
Republican 51%
College Graduate (43%)
Democrat 49%
Republican 49%
Dora said...
3) I much prefer the great lessons taught in the Bible than I do the secular humanist religion which says that only YOU are important, that all answers come from "being yourself" and the right thing to do is what "feels good."
So is that why you are divorced?
Dang! Did this guy tell you everything about himself? That wasn't very smart, now was it, FJ? It is obvious, of course, that FJ is divorced... from reality. As for Evan being in jail, certainly his act and his writings, must be crimes even if they are only assaults on intelligence.
ps, I miss "Thissitemakesmelaugh."
... It's why America hates you.
You can't think you represent even a tiny fraction of a percentage of America. You, like Dora, fit into a tiny niche of elitist far left fringe liberals. If America hates anyone, it hates you and everything you stand for. No, not hate - more like pity.
Speak of reliable sources.
Anti-war veterans' group: War crimes are 'encouraged
At an event in Watertown, New York on Saturday, members of Iraq Veterans Against War charged that war crimes against civilians were encouraged by unit commanders.
"The killing of innocent civilians is policy," said veteran Mike Blake. "It's unit policy and it's Army policy. It's not official policy, but it's what's happens on the ground everyday. It's what unit commanders individually encourage."
Veteran Matt Howard concurred: "These decisions are coming from the top down," Howard said. "The tactics that we use, the policies that the military engages, will create situations, create dynamics, create -- ultimately -- atrocity."
Blake and Howard were among four veterans speaking at Watertown's Different Drummer Cafe, in a preliminary event to the 'Winter Soldier' gathering scheduled in Washington, D.C. in March. Named after the 1971 event in which John Kerry read testimony from soldiers on atrocities they had committed, this year's Winter Soldier will feature Iraq War veterans speaking about war crimes they committed or witnessed.
In Watertown, veteran Jon Turner blamed himself as well as the orders he was given. "It was my decision," Turner said. "I made it. Now I have to live with the fact I see someone's eyes screaming at me after I shot them."
I think the polls tell us pretty much who America hates...even the Fox and WSJ polls. And then there's the rest of the world. The REALLY hate you. Even during the (very short) heyday of your movement, liberal causes like health care and environmental responsibility were majority favorites...
Dang! Did this guy tell you everything about himself? That wasn't very smart, now was it, FJ? It is obvious, of course, that FJ is divorced... from reality. As for Evan being in jail, certainly his act and his writings, must be crimes even if they are only assaults on intelligence.
ps, I miss "Thissitemakesmelaugh."
No no, y'all, I meant Evan is divorced. I think his wife divorced him, and I think that's why he hates women, esp. Hillary.
... It's why America hates you.
You can't think you represent even a tiny fraction of a percentage of America. You, like Dora, fit into a tiny niche of elitist far left fringe liberals. If America hates anyone, it hates you and everything you stand for. No, not hate - more like pity.
Now wait, we are against the war, and so is America. We don't like Bush or Cheney, neither does America. We're pro-choice, so is America. We are against the death penalty, and so is America. We support universal healthcare, and so does America. We support doing something about the environment, and so does America.
Where is your common ground with America? Look at the polls, you're wrong on nearly every issue.
Now wait, we are against the war, and so is America. We don't like Bush or Cheney, neither does America. We're pro-choice, so is America. We are against the death penalty, and so is America. We support universal healthcare, and so does America. We support doing something about the environment, and so does America.
That's one damn wide fringe. Why, there's scarcely any room left for these guys.
little, realllllly little, johnny sez: The media has [sic]been proven to be biased. There is a disproportionate number of liberals in the media..
Where the fuck are the liberals? The media may seem to be liberal because FOX is so WAY OUT THERE.... I totally reject the idea that the media, who drum beat us to war in Iraq, are liberal.
No no, y'all, I meant Evan is divorced. I think his wife divorced him, and I think that's why he hates women, esp. Hillary.
I hadda feeling he was divorced way back when. So, he probably just shares joint custody of his son. Thank goodness. Maybe the ex-wife has some sense.
Smart Cookie sez: Why, there's scarcely any room left for these guys.
Could it be, could it possibly be, that they are the fringe??
ps, I miss "Thissitemakesmelaugh."
Never realized I made much of an impression. Regardless, I'm still here, under my new-and-improved name.
The economy is just fine:
January 21, 2008
Stocks Plunge Worldwide on Fears of a U.S. Recession
By MARK LANDLER and HEATHER TIMMONS
FRANKFURT — Fears that the United States is in a recession reverberated around the world on Monday, sending stock markets from Frankfurt to Bombay into a tailspin and puncturing the hopes of many investors that Europe and Asia will be able to sidestep an American downturn.
On a day when United States markets were closed in observance of Martin Luther King’s Birthday, the world’s eyes were trained nervously on the United States. Investors reacted with what many analysts described as panic to the multiplying signs of weakness in the American economy.
Shares of banks led the decline in many countries, underscoring that the subprime crisis continues to hobble the global financial system. On Monday, a big German state bank, WestLB, said it would report a loss of $1.4 billion in 2007 because of its exposure to deteriorating mortgage assets.
“There is indeed some panic,” said Thomas Mayer, the chief European economist at Deutsche Bank in London. “What we’re seeing, in Europe and Asia, is that the markets are pricing in a recession.”
The sell-off was evenly distributed from West to East, with indexes plunging in London, Paris, Frankfurt, Tokyo, Hong Kong, Seoul and Bombay. The Frankfurt Stock Exchange’s Dax index plummeted 7.2 percent, its steepest one-day decline since Sept. 11, 2001. The 7.4 percent drop in Bombay’s Sensex index was the second-worst single-day tumble in its history.
Stocks followed suit when markets opened in the Western Hemisphere. Canadian stocks were down 4 percent in early afternoon, and a key market index in Brazil was off almost 6 percent.
And trading Monday in stock index futures, while light and not always a reliable indicator, pointed to a substantial decline when markets reopen on Wall Street. Futures in the Dow Jones industrial average were down 520 points, or more than 4 percent.
Investors were scarcely comforted by President Bush’s announcement on Friday of an economic stimulus package of as much as $145 billion. Mr. Bush’s “shot in the arm,” economists said, did not persuade the rest of the world that the United States will escape a recession, or that it will either.
The turmoil will put even more pressure on the European Central Bank, which has charted a different course from the Federal Reserve by warning that it might raise interest rates to curb inflation, rather than cut them, as the Fed has, to ward off a recession. Mr. Mayer and others predict the bank will be forced into an about-face in coming months.
While Asia has been less buffeted by the credit crisis than Europe, the Bank of China now appears vulnerable, with analysts predicting it will have to write down the value of its American mortgage holdings.
Investors in Asia have been in a state of denial about a possible recession in the United States, said Adrian Mowat, JPMorgan’s chief strategist in Asia. But now, he said, “there’s no debate about it.” The only question, he added is “how long and deep” a recession might be.
In Japan, which may be facing a new recession of its own, most indexes were off by more than 3 percent.
The angst about the United States belies the popular theory that Europe and Asia are not as dependent on the American economy as they once were, in part because they trade more with each other. The theory, known as decoupling, has been used to explain why economies like China and Germany have kept growing robustly, even as the United States has slowed.
“The market is not at all convinced about decoupling, and I think the market is probably right,” Mr. Mayer said. “When you look at it more closely, we’re suffering from the same issues.”
The housing market, after a long boom, is cooling off in several countries, notably Britain, Spain and Ireland. That will depress the growth rate in those countries, which are among Europe’s economic pace-setters.
European banks continue to make unwelcome disclosures about write-downs of mortgage assets, even if the losses are not as dire as those reported by Citigroup or Merrill Lynch. Banks loans across Europe are being constrained, according to a recent survey by the European Central Bank.
German banks, in particular, are still haunted by the American subprime mess. WestLB’s troubles came a week after a German property lender, Hypo Real Estate, lost one-third of its market value after it disclosed higher-than-expected losses from the credit crisis.
WestLB, after warning that its 2007 losses would be more than twice its earlier estimate, said its key shareholders, the state of North Rhine-Westphalia and regional savings bank, had agreed to inject to inject 2 billion euros ($2.9 billion) of fresh capital into the bank to stabilize it.
Also on Monday, Commerzbank warned it would make additional write-downs in the fourth quarter of 2007. This caught analysts off guard, since Commerzbank has been fairly upbeat about its exposure.
“The amounts are not so significant,” said Simon Adamson, a banking analyst at CreditSights, an independent research firm in London. “It was more the way the market was caught by surprise.”
Shares of Commerzbank fell 6.8 percent, Deutsche Bank fell 6.2 percent, Société Générale of France 7.7 percent, BNP Paribas 8 percent and the ING Group of the Netherlands was off 8.2 percent.
But the damage extended to the shares of energy companies like BP and Royal Dutch Shell, which dropped on worries that a global economic slowdown would cramp the demand for oil and gas.
“The problem is more deeply rooted in anxiety about the global economy than it is in Germany,” said Boris Boehm, an asset manager at Nordinvest in Hamburg. “People are really afraid. But it’s a good thing because fear, along with action, gets the market to its proper level quickly.”
Those jitters extended to fast-growing markets, like China, and those, like India, that are thought to be relatively insulated from the United States. Shanghai’s Composite Index closed down 5.1 percent, while Hong Kong’s Hang Seng fell 5.5 percent, also the most since Sept. 11, 2001.
Emerging markets have sagged recently, and Monday’s rout may signal a basic shift in sentiment, analysts said. Mr. Mowat of JPMorgan said that it did not matter whether markets were separated by geography or asset class because, he said, “we trade together in corrections.”
No matter how many bridges, roads, and power plants China builds, or how many new cars India sells, a downturn in the United States will ripple across Asia’s economies, experts said.
“If the United States consumer quits buying things, it is going to hurt in Asia,” said Deborah Schuller, an Asia regional credit officer for Moody’s Investors Service. She said most rated corporations there would be able to withstand a nine-month recession in the United States, but if it were to stretch to 12 months or more, there could be some serious problems.
Worries about China are adding to Asia’s uneasiness. Its private property market is in the midst of a shakeout, and scores of small developers have gone out of business. Chinese banks were hard hit on Monday, in part because they hold the bulk of Asia’s exposure to subprime mortgages.
In Japan, stock markets fell to their lowest levels in more than two years on concerns that an American recession could be accompanied by a home-grown one. The Nikkei 225 fell 3.9 percent.
Investors were unnerved by data from the Japanese Finance Ministry, which said that growth was slowing in five of the Japan’s economic regions. The Japanese economy has been weighed down by stagnant housing investment and a poor employment picture outside the major cities.
Australian stocks slid again on Monday, their tenth consecutive day of losses, and the country’s longest losing streak for more than 25 years. The S.& P./ASX 200 index dropped 2.9 percent as investors scrambled to get out of companies perceived to have high exposure to debt.
Allco Finance Group, a once-high-flying transport infrastructure fund that was part of the consortium that tried to buy Qantas Airways last year, was among the hardest hit, dropping over 35 percent.
In both Europe and Asia, there may be further shocks, as banks total the fallout from their investments in the American mortgage market. Deutsche Bank, for one, will report its annual results on Feb. 7.
“There’s an old saying in the market that banks lead us into recession and banks lead us out,” Mr. Boehm of Nordinvest said.
From the NYT
Evan is a boil on the ass of society said...
ps, I miss "Thissitemakesmelaugh."
Never realized I made much of an impression. Regardless, I'm still here, under my new-and-improved name.
Yes, that persona did make a difference. But, maybe it was time to change.
LOL! America is against the death penalty. America is FOR abortion. America is against the war (since June of 2005, but where were they when the war started?) Peoples opinions are like they wind. Otherwise, democrats wouldn't always be taking polls.
"The killing of innocent civilians is policy," said veteran Mike Blake. "It's unit policy and it's Army policy. It's not official policy, but it's what's happens on the ground everyday.
LOL! It's policy, but it's not policy, but it's what happens. Civilians die in wars. LOL!
Democrats offer universal health care to voters like pederasts offer candy to children... little do the voters know how screwed they'll be:
Plato "Gorgias"
Now, seeing that there are these four arts, two attending on the body and two on the soul for their highest good; flattery knowing, or rather guessing their natures, has distributed herself into four shams or simulations of them; she puts on the likeness of some one or other of them, and pretends to be that which she simulates, and having no regard for men's highest interests, is ever making pleasure the bait of the unwary, and deceiving them into the belief that she is of the highest value to them. Cookery simulates the disguise of medicine, and pretends to know what food is the best for the body; and if the physician and the cook had to enter into a competition in which children were the judges, or men who had no more sense than children, as to which of them best understands the goodness or badness of food, the physician would be starved to death. A flattery I deem this to be and of an ignoble sort, Polus, for to you I am now addressing myself, because it aims at pleasure without any thought of the best. An art I do not call it, but only an experience, because it is unable to explain or to give a reason of the nature of its own applications. And I do not call any irrational thing an art; but if you dispute my words, I am prepared to argue in defence of them.
Cookery, then, I maintain to be a flattery which takes the form of medicine; and tiring, in like manner, is a flattery which takes the form of gymnastic, and is knavish, false, ignoble, illiberal, working deceitfully by the help of lines, and colours, and enamels, and garments, and making men affect a spurious beauty to the neglect of the true beauty which is given by gymnastic.
The DNC. Flattering voters and concentrating on appearances rather than realities since 1964.
Although in principle roughly 2/3 of Americans are supportive of the death penalty, they divide evenly in their preference of life imprisonment with no possibility of parole versus the death penalty as the better punishment in murder cases. Given these explicit alternatives, 47% prefer the death penalty and 48% life imprisonment.
http://www.democracyinaction.org/dia/organizations/ncadp/news.jsp?key=2733&t=
Seventy-seven percent of respondents said abortion should either be generally available, or available but with stricter limits than now. Just 22 percent said abortion should not be permitted.
http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2003/01/22/opinion/polls/main537570.shtml
oh yes, fJ, i'm sure Plato has something relevant to say about Hillarycare!
You crack me up.
I guess I wanted to cut to the quick. I mean, this is a man who actually says this:
I fight the terrorists
Which, of course, means he supports policies in which other people are sent halfway across the world and placed in the middle of a civil war. He fights terrorists insomuch as he happily sends other people to get blown up, and supports policies which cause hundreds of thousands of collateral casualties. Those aren't the words of a man that makes me laugh, those are the words of a man that needs desperately to be lanced and covered in gauze.
I much prefer the great lessons taught in the Bible
What the fuck kind of self-respecting Jew calls it "The Bible". It's the Torah.
He's probably just drunk.
Why aren't you fuckheads attacking Evan for not "sticking with it" and "making his marriage work for the kids"?
You have to love (read: hate) a person who acts like a narcissistic fuckwad and then blames it on liberals:
If she was doing something that I wanted to do, great, but as far as becoming a couple, that doesn’t tend to happen with liberals. They’re people who have a good time together until they don’t and then they divorce."
That'll be the excuse, of course. "I used to be a liberal, that's why I divorced my wife." Most people can see through that bullshit and realize hey, it was you acting that way, not Generic Liberal, meaning that you're the narcissistic douchenozzle, and political philosophy has nothing to do with it. The people who parrot Evan on this site? I doubt they'd get that.
the god delusion
That'll be the excuse, of course. "I used to be a liberal, that's why I divorced my wife."
He doesn't have that excuse for all his recent drunk driving arrests.
Why aren't you fuckheads attacking Evan for not "sticking with it" and "making his marriage work for the kids"?
Good question. It's one son, I think, but nevertheless. At least he hasn't been too fruitful, in more ways than one. Though he has been relentlessly fruity.
And, thanks for digging up the info on the death penalty and abortion....one of us had posted it elsewhere. And so, I'd seen it pretty recently, but too damned tired to track it down. Thanks for your diligence.
He doesn't have that excuse for all his recent drunk driving arrests.
Are you playin', Dora? I mean, I know that I could check the data on that, esp. in CA. But, I believe you are serious and seriously correct....so no need to check. It could be "snagged" if Evan denies it. Good theatre. And, evidently, you are in the bio-box. Evan, eternally repeating "Evil Modern Liberals"...fade to black.
Yeah, the dood's a drunk, awrite. How else could you explain those tired, trite, asinine idiocies that he perpetually spouts?
Yeah, the dood's a drunk, awrite. How else could you explain those tired, trite, asinine idiocies that he perpetually spouts?
Are you playin', Dora?
I ain't playin'.
Now where is Justin/Jeremy, with his criminal-punishment fetish, advocating for putting drunk drivers in the stocks or something?
Remember, Sayet's favorites are Giuliani, the thrice married...well, you know the littany...he's probably currently ving his fourth or next wife ferried around by remaining contacts in the NYPD, and LIMbaugh the thrice married, ass boiled, draft dodging, DR boy loving, pill popping hypocrite.
But I unnerstans...these guys have a problem. They are unable to help themselves as inner demons drive them to frequent bouts of liberalism when they fuck li'l boys and put on dresses and stuff.
Well, as Nietzsche would say: "Alterations in cerebrovascular regulation related to vascular oxidative stress have been implicated in the mechanisms of Alzheimer's disease (AD), but their role in the amyloid deposition and cognitive impairment associated with AD remains unclear. We used mice overexpressing the Swedish mutation of the amyloid precursor protein (Tg2576) as a model of AD to examine the role of reactive oxygen species produced by NADPH oxidase in the cerebrovascular alterations, amyloid deposition, and behavioral deficits observed in these mice. We found that 12- to 15-month-old Tg2576 mice lacking the catalytic subunit Nox2 of NADPH oxidase do not develop oxidative stress, cerebrovascular dysfunction, or behavioral deficits. These improvements occurred without reductions in brain amyloid-beta peptide (Abeta) levels or amyloid plaques. The findings unveil a previously unrecognized role of Nox2-derived radicals in the behavioral deficits of Tg2576 mice and provide a link between the neurovascular dysfunction and cognitive decline associated with amyloid pathology."
Aaaaah...tellink, weeeeery tellink. Tellink also.
Good question. It's one son, I think, but nevertheless. At least he hasn't been too fruitful, in more ways than one. Though he has been relentlessly fruity.
His son once saw a simulated sex act at a football game...I guess Limbaugh wandered out onto the field during an oxycontin flashback and did something ugly. Anyway, the son didn't give a big shit, but Sayet hasn't been the same since. He used to talk about it a lot, but talking it out didn't help though he tried....over and over and over and over.....anyway I think he tried drinking after that as he heard it had worked for GW. Of course, he also has Jesus.
I'm just glad the son in the wife's custody.
Yeeeees, hmmmmm, tellink how he takes ze path of his heros. Has he tried a colon flush? And the sitzbath...I vas in dat vhen I had my big flash about star vars. Sumpting kept tellink me...
1) It's amazing how the leftists insist that no one should go into other people's bedrooms...then attack me for being divorced.
2) The notion that leftists are smarter because they may (or may not) have more college degrees depends on whether what they are being taught in school is true.
because there are hateful leftist teachers (100 percent of all money donated by Professors at Columbia went to leftists) who, like you, have so much hate for any point of view other than your own that you'll say anything, no matter how vicious, to ensure that no other voice is heard.
Much more telling than leftists giving diplomas to children and calling them "smart" is that as people grow up and learn in the REAL WORLD they invariably move to the right. As Churchill is said to have said, "if you're not a Liberal when you're young you have no heart, if you're still a Liberal when you're older, you have no brain."
1) It's amazing how the leftists insist that no one should go into other people's bedrooms...then attack me for being divorced.
I'm attacking your hypocrisy -- you always criticize liberals for not having traditions or family values, but you yourself are divorced. How often do you see your kid? Are you taking your father responsibilities seriously?
leftist have so much hate for any point of view other than your own that you'll say anything, no matter how vicious, to ensure that no other voice is heard.
Really? Wher are the leftists who are trying to shut down others' free speech?
Much more telling than leftists giving diplomas to children and calling them "smart" is that as people grow up and learn in the REAL WORLD they invariably move to the right. As Churchill is said to have said, "if you're not a Liberal when you're young you have no heart, if you're still a Liberal when you're older, you have no brain."
Do you actually have any statistics to back this up, or are you just relying on the Churchill quote?
Evan Sayet said...
It's amazing how the lefists insist that no one should go into other people's bedrooms...then attack me for being divorced.
You always have to explain to these silly children that you're attacking them for being hypocritical morons...
The notion that leftists are smarter because they may (or may not) have more college degrees depends on whether what they are being taught in school is true.
No, it has to do with evolution.
Much more telling than leftists giving diplomas to children and calling them "smart" is that as people grow up and learn in the REAL WORLD they invariably move to the right. As Churchill is said to have said, "if you're not a Liberal when you're young you have no heart, if you're still a Liberal when you're older, you have no brain.
Here, Sayet gets confused about a phenomenon known as aging...some old farts become more conservative as they get old because they lose their mental agility and just want things to quit changing. This usually has nothing to do with politics but merely their personal habits, though senility is one cause of conservatism. Note how as usual he provides no evidence for his robot maunderings except the tired old statement of the right wing Churchill, whose reputation is greatly exaggerated anyway.
Note how Sayet let it slip that his divorce was related to "his bedroom!!!" Haha ...no one even mentioned that...but we should have known.
Yas, ze bedroom...har, tellink indeed.
Well, Walter, I'm certain that FJ will be furiously searching for that quote. After all, you are the reputed xpert on Nietzsche. I have several of your books....unsigned, btw.
And, Dr. Teller, a high colonikkks...sounds just like what the docktor would order for ES.
"his bedroom!!!" Haha ...no one even mentioned that...but we should have known.
Yeah, really. But, I don't believe anyone really wanted to think about that....even now, I just wanna block out that thought.
Btw, where is that screwy cheerleader, Nanc? I'm sure she thinks it's alllllllll good.
aw come on guys! Let's talk about something else allready. It's freezin outside
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9JoaS7CA03s&feature=related
This is the price any conservative must pay when they stand up and publicly speak out against liberalism. Especially when it's from an ex-liberal like Evan.
See how they obsess over him night and day, attempting to bully him and his readers into silence. I've been to numerous liberal blogs, and you rarely see this kind of behavior from the right. The politics of personal destruction comes primarily from the left because it allows them to avoid debating the issues. They have now resorted to attacking his failed marriage, which nobody here knows about except Evan himself. Aside from that, he has never claimed to be a shining pillar of morality. He is just a man sharing his opinions and ideas. His speech rang true to a lot of people, and of course that is why all of these liberal vampires are here attacking him from dusk till dawn. What else could possibly motivate these people?
It wouldn't surprise me if there are people paying dingbats like dora and simes to deface and demoralize conservative blogs. After all, the democrat party and many of their left wing special interest groups pay protesters to show up at their kook rallys. That might seem far fetched, but then again, so would paying protesters - and that has happened many times.
Now where is Justin/Jeremy, with his criminal-punishment fetish, advocating for putting drunk drivers in the stocks or something?
I'm touched that you were thinking of me sweet thang - I missed you too! In fact, my wife had to scold me when I called out your name the other day. Usually I drink a couple cups of coffee in the morning to get things going, but I was out of Coffeemate and I haven't been getting enough fiber in my diet. Anyway, long story short, I was working out a big one, you know the kind that cuts you up on the way out - the kind that makes you appreciate what women go through in child birth - and at the peak of the process, when my sphincter was stretched to a point that only a recently deflowered sodomite could appreciate, I screamed your name at the top of my lungs. I just thought I should share my experience. It's always nice to know that others are thinking of you.
How timely...someone told me to check this place out if I wanted a good example of what's left of the right...you'll excuse me if I don't come back after that post...if Justin, in the last post, is typical of what you people are, you repulsive cretins will do well to keep yourselves out of sight.
How timely...someone told me to check this place out if I wanted a good example of what's left of the right...you'll excuse me if I don't come back after that post...if Justin, in the last post, is typical of what you people are, you repulsive cretins will do well to keep yourselves out of sight.
That is complete bull and we all know it. You're just another part of the liberal plague that trolls this site. I honestly don't blame him for responding to everything Dora says with sarcasm. She is a very spiteful person.
Just scrolling through the comments, reading a few at random, but mainly picking up the names, leads me to comment: Please consider implementing a troll banning regime.
It could even be kind, in a cruel-to-be-kind sort of way, and we only need so much material to confirm Evan's spot-on analysis of the leftist mind.
I apologize for my comments yesterday - truly and sincerely - I was at the end of what have been a very long and difficult week of change for me. Now that it's over, I want to share with you my story - the story of a man and his conversion to liberalism.
After a long, meaningful discussion with Dora and others last week, I sat down and pondered the origins of man and the universe next to a warm fire and a cup of tea. It wasn't long before I came to the realization that I have been living in dreamland for the last 10 years - since I sided with the conservative movement in college. Earth and all of it's inhabitants are the result of a few particles in space colliding, thus forming the planet, ecosystem, and all living beings. Of course that took millions of years, but it definitely makes sense now that I think about it with an open mind. I used to look at DNA and think, wow, that is the most amazing computer program I have ever seen. I set of instructions, or a blueprint, that can produce a self-aware conscious living being. I can't believe anyone would even consider the possibility of a creator over the big bang and evolution. What fools!
And then, I started rethinking morality. Morality is actually denying people the right to act upon the urges they have naturally - thus denying nature. Men should always act upon their urges and do as animals do in nature. The strongest bull should forcefully have their way with the cows, and protect his harem with violence. Animals kill each other without remorse for food - or any personal gain really, we should do the same. Survival of the fittest! After all, that is the true nature of man. I have seen the light, finally! I think I might go out and rape someone tonight. As long as I don't get caught, mind you - there is nothing wrong with the act - it happens in nature all the time - just like when a bull humps another bull, or a lion eats it's cubs. Nature! I mean, there is no punishment outside of what the government exacts on us. I can dispose of my conscience like any other liberal. It may take some time, but I can do it!
After those realizations, I discovered that the free market system doesn't work, and that the Government would indeed spend my money better than I could. Intelligent, compassionate liberals like Dora and Simes - they would spend our collective wealth better than we could ourselves. Besides, it would help the poor. It's not fair that anyone should have to earn money to gain the necessities of life - food, clothing, healthcare, transportation, education - because they are the entitled rights of all humanity.
I stopped homeschooling my children and sent them off to state funded institutions because I don't believe it's fair for my kids to be smarter than any other child in america. I also want them to grow up to be athiest liberals like me, so I will make sure they don't ever go to church or get exposed to any of those Christian fools or their silly misguided faith. I think we should all be equally educated. Equality is important - no matter what you do or how hard you work, we should equally divvy up wealth to all.
Wahoo - This is so invigorating! Now that I can stop repressing my natural urges - I can get together with my buddies in the evenings and visit the local brothel, and then follow it by killing a bum and smoking some weed. Maybe I'll visit my sister and have some raunchy sex. After all, incestuous intercourse is okay as long as you don't get anyone pregnant. And if she does, we can just kill the baby - no wait, it's not a baby - it's just a few cells. Be patient with me Dora, it will take me a while to change my vocabulary from my conservative past.
FINALLY I FEEL LIBERATED! Thanks go to you, Dora! You will make a great lawyer someday.
1) It's amazing how the leftists insist that no one should go into other people's bedrooms...then attack me for being divorced.
It's one of Alinsky's rules for radicals RULE 4: "Make the enemy live up to its own book of rules." If the rule is that every letter gets a reply, send 30,000 letters. You can kill them with this because no one can possibly obey all of their own rules. (This is a serious rule. The besieged entity's very credibility and reputation is at stake, because if activists catch it lying or not living up to its commitments, they can continue to chip away at the damage.)
They don't live up to their rules either... but they are never held accountable for having "no rules". They're societies parasites. Critics incapable of producing anything on their own.
2) The notion that leftists are smarter because they may (or may not) have more college degrees depends on whether what they are being taught in school is true.
Yes, they're into "credentially". It gives them the "appearance" of education and intelligence without the "reality". Like Al Gore's Nobel. Like their affirmative action candidates being "qualified" for their jobs.
Ask dora why less than 5% of America's lawyers are black despite reserved seats in every law school in the country. Ask her to explain how blacks have been discriminated against these past 44 years in law school admissions...
I can't think of a more colossal waste of time than actually sitting down and writing that many words based on all of your stupid straw man arguments. You really need a hobby. Might I suggest something that involves books and learning?
Wow, so Justin is just another wingnut with homoerotic fantasies.
How many does that make, then?
The problem with today's Left is they refuse to follow Alinsky's Rule #7...
RULE 7: "A tactic that drags on too long becomes a drag." Don't become old news. (Even radical activists get bored. So to keep them excited and involved, organizers are constantly coming up with new tactics.)
It showed up at the DNC debate last night with Hillary childish attacks on Obama's voting record in Illinois. I was rolling on the floor laughing at the self-inflicted implosion of the Democratic Party...
They're societies parasites. Critics incapable of producing anything on their own.
Why are most artists, writers, composers, filmmakers, most CREATive professions, liberals?
I was rolling on the floor laughing at the self-inflicted implosion of the Democratic Party...
...I can understand why you were committed to an institution that one time.
I think Justin and Farmer John should live out their gay fantasies together.
Why are most artists, writers, composers, filmmakers, most CREATive professions, liberals?
I take it you haven't been to a movie lately... the novelty of porn gets old after a while, doesn't it?
How many modern symphonies are there? Great books from the Oprah Book Club? LOL!
Wow, so Justin is just another wingnut with homoerotic fantasies.
How many does that make, then?
I am (was)! I have finally realized it, thanks to you.
Might I suggest something that involves books and learning?
Which books? I am really interested in finally reading some objective unbiased literature.
The problem with today's Left is they refuse to follow Alinsky's Rule #7...
Shutup FJ - you are a complete ignoramus just like Sayet. What, are you going to quote Nietzsche again? You know nothing, fool. You have the philosophical depth of a goat. Try opening a book and reading it instead of just looking at the pictures, misguided child.
I take it you haven't been to a movie lately... the novelty of porn gets old after a while, doesn't it?
I saw "There will be blood" recently. Also Juno. Have you heard of Gullermo del Toro, director of "Pan's Labyrinth"? These movies are all EXCELLENT.
How many modern symphonies are there?
I was just at a concert of music by compsoer Pierre Boulez on Thursday. Boulez himself was there conducting.
Great books from the Oprah Book Club?
Have you heard of any contemporary authors? Salman Rushdie? Gunter Grass? Michael Chabon? They're all first-class.
I think Justin and Farmer John should live out their gay fantasies together.
Dora, I agree. I would love to tap that. Heck, you could join us! You can invite your mom, and I can invite mine. We can all get in on it. Man, I feel so free now!
I think Justin and Farmer John should live out their gay fantasies together.
Dora, I agree. I would love to tap that. Heck, you could join us! You can invite your mom, and I can invite mine. We can all get in on it. Man, I feel so free now!
Ew. My mom and I are not interested in two gay ignorant freaks like yourselves.
Ew. My mom and I are not interested in two gay ignorant freaks like yourselves.
Too bad, I don't discriminate. When I have an urge, I follow it. So anyway, I was just thinking - Hillary really kicked ass last night. I think she's going to take it all. I can't wait to show up and vote for her. This morning I called the local DNC office and volunteered to take one of the party buses pick us some people downtown, buy them coffee and donuts, and then drop them off at the polls. Anything for the cause! Man, we are really awesome Dora - you and I. I know I'm a fool compared to you, but I am working on it. You need to help me.
Don't you have kids to poorly homeschool? ("See kids? That's a picture of Moses, riding on a dinosaur! That's the end of our history lesson for today.")
...soooo, how many Americans were on that list? QED. LOL!
Don't you have kids to poorly homeschool? ("See kids? That's a picture of Moses, riding on a dinosaur! That's the end of our history lesson for today.")
No way! I quit that. My kids are learning how to put condoms on bananas in public schools right now. I want to make sure that, when they are capable, they should go out and have lots of promiscuous sex, just as long as they protect themselves. Any loving parent would wish that on their girls! That's what womens rights have been fighting for, right? After all, thats what I am going to do now that I'm free of the chains of morality. My wife and I are going to take our liberal neighbors up on their swapping offer tonight. I'm so glad I've finally abandoned those ridiculous Christian conservative freaks.
...soooo, how many Americans were on that list? QED. LOL!
Where do you think Michael Chabon is from? And the people who made "Juno" and "There Will Be Blood"?
You're just an ignorant fool.
Justin: I know I'm a fool compared to you, but I am working on it. You need to help me.
Justin, everyone knows that you are a fool compared even to a turnip...and NUTS to boot. Unfortunately, I don't believe that there is anyone here who has the credentials to help you. Too bad that Dr. Goodsam is not around.
justin, i've taken pity upon you, and I offer to you my patented smartening program.
1. Get a world map and put it on your wall. study it. look up things you discover ("what is this country called Seashells?"
2. Stop watching Fox News and start reading the Economist. A large part of it is free online. Also start reading other non-American media, like the BBC and the Times of London.
3. Watch David Attenborough's nature documentary "Life on Earth." Then keep watching more nature documentaries.
4. Stop going to church, and sleep instead. Sleep is so much better for you than church.
5. Start going to museums with your kids. If you don't live near a museum, or can't afford it, see below.
6. Propose this to your wife: you move to somewhere with very good schools, you send your kids to school (when they're old enough), and then your wife gets a job. Hopefully, she'll be keen on this.
7. With the extra money you will get from your wife's job, you can afford to go to museums with your kids and buy them fun books about dinosaurs and planets and stuff.
8. You'll also be able to afford a better diet. Is anyone in your family overweight? How much high fructose corn syrup do you eat? How much salad do you eat? If you love your family, you want them to be healthy.
9. Finally, with that extra money, go on a trip with your wife (jsut you two) out of the country. Somewhere where they don't speak English, and somewhere where you will see the country and meet the people. Like Costa Rica or Mexico or France or Italy.
See if that helps.
Where do you think Michael Chabon is from? And the people who made "Juno" and "There Will Be Blood"?
You're just an ignorant fool.
Less than half... Still LOL!
Less than half... Still LOL!
um, are you taking my list (from off the top of my head) as some sort of definitive list upon which you should make statistical conclusions?
Are you sure you're not sitting next to a big pile of Dumbinium, which is dumbening you every second?
Here's some more fun stuff for the list:
- composers:
- Tan Dun
- John Adams
- writers:
- Tom Wolfe
- Gore Vidal
- David Foster Wallace
- Thomas Pynchon
- Jonathon Franzen
- filmmakers
- Ang Lee
- Wes Anderson
- Paul Thomas Andersen
- Lars von Trier
- Pedro Almodovar
- Alejandro Amenábar
I can keep going
justin, i've taken pity upon you, and I offer to you my patented smartening program.
Thanks! I can't wait to be enlightened. Fools like FJ aren't worthy to wipe your ass. Let me know when I can, because I really want to. We can't all be like you, but at least we can give you our lives in service. Just let me know if you ever need anything.
Oh and don't forget Francis Ford Coppola who just made a new movie (youth without youth).
Whoa, Justin, I can't help you with your butt-fixation issues. You should really discuss that with your wife or a trained professional or something.
Justin, everyone knows that you are a fool compared even to a turnip...and NUTS to boot. Unfortunately, I don't believe that there is anyone here who has the credentials to help you. Too bad that Dr. Goodsam is not around.
Oh, come now - where is your liberal compassion? I am here and am pleading to you for help. I know I am a lost puppy - please guide me.
Nope, not sitting next to it, but I do think I know where the source of Dumbinium on this thread IS sitting...
Whoa, Justin, I can't help you with your butt-fixation issues. You should really discuss that with your wife or a trained professional or something.
What, are you judging me? I thought you of all people would accept me and acknowledge that my behavior and desires are okay and acceptable. I thought you were different than those cruel wingnuts, always judging people for their so called perverse behavior. I don't understand.
Tom Wolfe is a liberal? Whodathunkit?
Farmer John said...
Nope, not sitting next to it, but I do think I know where the source of Dumbinium on this thread IS sitting...
You know what I love about you, FJ? Your chutzpah.
Like, just now, I just showed you that you're clueless about current American arts & letters. See, you imagine yourself as some sort of arbiter of art, but you didn't know who Michael Chabon was, even though he's very well-known and famous.
So, we see that you're totally clueless, QED, but instead of piping down for a while, you go on calling me dumb. It's breathtaking, really.
What, are you judging me? I thought you of all people would accept me and acknowledge that my behavior and desires are okay and acceptable. I thought you were different than those cruel wingnuts, always judging people for their so called perverse behavior. I don't understand.
I'm not judging you, Jeremy. I'm just saying that the way you talk about your butt, and the way you hate teh gays -- there's some psychological issues there that you might want to look into.
FJ is an expert on Freud, the anal phase, and latent homosexuality. Maybe he can help you?
I'm not judging you, Jeremy. I'm just saying that the way you talk about your butt, and the way you hate teh gays -- there's some psychological issues there that you might want to look into.
FJ is an expert on Freud, the anal phase, and latent homosexuality. Maybe he can help you?
You kidding me? I love every kind of sex - including gay sex. It's called sexual freedom. I don't think there is a psychological issue involved with my behavior - you sound just like a right wing freak. What do you base that on? What is wrong with my butt fetish? I am proud of it. This coming from you of all people - I'm so disappointed.
Mr. Montgomery, you are obviously a right wing freak, and you have a real butt fetish.
If you were a gay-supporting democrat, it wouldn't be a psychological problem. But you aren't, you're a "family values" God-loving traditionalist conservative Repug with a butt fetish. That's a psychological problem.
You know what I love about you, FJ? Your chutzpah.
Like, just now, I just showed you that you're clueless about current American arts & letters. See, you imagine yourself as some sort of arbiter of art, but you didn't know who Michael Chabon was, even though he's very well-known and famous.
I'm just surprised Brittany Spears wasn't on YOUR list. She's very famous, too!
Michael Chabon (born May 24, 1963) is an American author and "one of the most celebrated writers of his generation," according to the The Virginia Quarterly Review.[2] His first novel, The Mysteries of Pittsburgh (1988), was published when Chabon was 25 and catapulted him to the status of literary celebrity. He followed it with a second novel, Wonder Boys (1995), and two short-story collections. In 2000, Chabon published The Amazing Adventures of Kavalier & Clay, a critically acclaimed novel that The New York Review of Books called his magnum opus; it won the Pulitzer Prize for Fiction in 2001. His latest novel, The Yiddish Policemen's Union, was published in 2007 to enthusiastic reviews.
Mr. Montgomery, you are obviously a right wing freak, and you have a real butt fetish.
If you were a gay-supporting democrat, it wouldn't be a psychological problem. But you aren't, you're a "family values" God-loving traditionalist conservative Repug with a butt fetish. That's a psychological problem.
Stop judging me. You are so insensitive! I told you already, I am a gay loving democrat. I have completely reversed all of my backward views and am now on the right, err, left side of everything. I would have sex with a tree if it weren't so painful. Man, you guys are really an elite club. What do I have to do to convince you!
Seriously, those kids aren't going to learn about how the Biblical Flood was responsible for the Grand Canyon by themselves. I hope you didn't just plot them in front of the TV while you spend your time here, they might learn something completely untrue like how the Earth revolves around the Sun and it'll take you months of careful Biblical study to convince them otherwise. Stop wasting your time here and go educate your kids about the evils of eating shellfish.
I can't believe you think this is funny/entertaining...wow ...
Thank's for sharing your Wikipedia based cultural greats with us, dora. I'm sure he'll be included in the new Western canon within another dozen years or so.
Monotemporality... thy name is liberal.
Seriously, those kids aren't going to learn about how the Biblical Flood was responsible for the Grand Canyon by themselves. I hope you didn't just plot them in front of the TV while you spend your time here, they might learn something completely untrue like how the Earth revolves around the Sun and it'll take you months of careful Biblical study to convince them otherwise. Stop wasting your time here and go educate your kids about the evils of eating shellfish.
Amen my fellow liberal friend. I just got done giving my kids a lesson on sexual freedom. We went to one of the local bath-houses and watched the men have sex with each other. I think every child should not only watch, but also learn the tricks these skillful men have to teach. Then we talked about how Hillary is such an admirable woman for putting up with her husband long enough to get her elected to the white house. Then we went back in time and admired the skillful deception that President Clinton (my idol) employed when he questions what the meaning of "is" is. What a genius! What better role models for our children - I can't think of any - except for maybe Dora.
Dora hates children, jeremy. But then, if you were afraid of spawning the devil, you wouldn't want to have any kids either.
Dora hates children, jeremy. But then, if you were afraid of spawning the devil, you wouldn't want to have any kids either.
ooooooooo!
Farmer's just angry that I've shown him to be an idiot for the ... I've lost count ...
Farmer, you wouldn't be such a glaring rube if you'd just take up my smartening program.
Dora hates children, jeremy. But then, if you were afraid of spawning the devil, you wouldn't want to have any kids either.
You pompous ass. Don't you know that you're a moron and an imbecile. In secrecy, my liberal buddies taught me how to argue with weak ignorant wingnuts like you. You have no chance arguing against our superior intellects, fool. I bet you haven't brushed your teeth in months. Get off your high horse little man - boys and their toys, I'll tell ya. All they want to do is fly around in airplanes and bomb people. If it weren't for men like you, we would already be living the utopian dream today. Go home, beat your wife and molest your children like the rest of your inbred wingnut friends.
We went to one of the local bath-houses
Are you from ancient Rome? Do you have access to a time machine? Because that would be motherfucking awesome if you did. Here, in the present (your future) we don't have "local bath-houses". But back then you guys were kinky as hell, no doubt about it. Seems kind of strange that the sort of people (coughFJcough) who are totally against teh gays are the same people who constantly look back to ancient societies that were totes about the dude-on-dude (and man-on-boy) ass-fucking for wisdom
Are you from ancient Rome? Do you have access to a time machine? Because that would be motherfucking awesome if you did. Here, in the present (your future) we don't have "local bath-houses". But back then you guys were kinky as hell, no doubt about it. Seems kind of strange that the sort of people (coughFJcough) who are totally against teh gays are the same people who constantly look back to ancient societies that were totes about the dude-on-dude (and man-on-boy) ass-fucking for wisdom
You really are a rube, just like FJ. You've never been to the bath-houses? If you think they're a thing of the past, think again my fine feathered liberal friend. I've been to many. You see, even though I live in the country - I grew up in San Jose, Pittsburgh, and New York. I know the world, and I've been up front and personal with it. You're obviously a good liberal, but you need to get out a little more.
Are you from ancient Rome? Do you have access to a time machine? Because that would be motherfucking awesome if you did. Here, in the present (your future) we don't have "local bath-houses".
Okay, to be fair, here in NYC, we have a couple of gay bath houses. But I'm pretty sure that they dont' have gay bathhouses in indianapolis.
But back then you guys were kinky as hell, no doubt about it. Seems kind of strange that the sort of people (coughFJcough) who are totally against teh gays are the same people who constantly look back to ancient societies that were totes about the dude-on-dude (and man-on-boy) ass-fucking for wisdom
Oh, but, you don't get it! According to FJ, Socrates wasn't gay!
And Nietzsche loved Christianity!
Farmer's just angry that I've shown him to be an idiot for the ... I've lost count ...
Must be one of those female things... LOL!
Just as a point of order, Jeremy, have you ever been outside of the US?
Must be one of those female things... LOL!
Oh, now he's attacking me because of my gender.
Must mean he's really angry/frustrated, and has nothing else to say.
Just as a point of order, Jeremy, have you ever been outside of the US?
Of course I have, your majesty. I have spent some time in Canada, Mexico, and the Bahamas. I am by no means as sophisticated and intellectually superior as you are, Dora. I would never claim that. You are my hero.
Just as a point of order, Jeremy, have you ever been outside of the US?
...because dora has... and unless you're well travelled, you ain't sh*t! Just look at me. Right, dora?
Oh, now he's attacking me because of my gender.
You know us rednecks. Nothing beats beating up chicks!
btw, dora - how thing's in Biglaw going? Collect any bonuses today?
You know us rednecks. Nothing beats beating up chicks!
Just admit it - you're a closet homosexual. Once you come out you will stop beating women because all of the pent of frustration you keep locked up inside. Haven't you watched any movies lately? There was one with Adam Sandler recently, I forget the name. But there was this big black guy in there that had been repressing his homosexuality all of his life. As soon as he came out, he was gentle as a lamb. Don't you see? You need to listen to the wisdom of hollywood and come out!
Farmer, you wouldn't be such a glaring rube if you'd just take up my smartening program.
He can't do that because he is incapable of saying, "Gee, I didn't know that." That would be too much like admitting that he feels inferior. There is always someone out there who knows more than you do. And, the smart thing to do would be to try and learn from that someone. But, then, no one has ever said that FJ was smart. Please do go on with your list....had read some bad reviews of "Pan's Labyrinth," but based on your other suggestions, I've put it in my que to rent. I did read that Guillermo del Toro translated the the subtitles into English himself.
He can't do that because he is incapable of saying, "Gee, I didn't know that." That would be too much like admitting that he feels inferior. There is always someone out there who knows more than you do. And, the smart thing to do would be to try and learn from that someone. But, then, no one has ever said that FJ was smart. Please do go on with your list....had read some bad reviews of "Pan's Labyrinth," but based on your other suggestions, I've put it in my que to rent. I did read that Guillermo del Toro translated the the subtitles into English himself.
Oh yes, my sweet, wonderful liberal friend. You will love Pan's Labyrinth. It's very dark though! My favorite part is when the evil officer dude smashes the farmer guys face in with the butt of his gun. Oh! And the part where the chick slices the evil officer dude from the mouth through his cheek to his jawbone! The special effects are pretty much, like, awesome! And the lighting is totally fantabulouso. I'm so glad we have this in common Dora! We're two peas in a pod, you and I. There's nothing more sophisticated in my mind than fantasy fiction. I bet you like Cinderella and The Little Mermaid too! Those are two of my favorites.
Children of Men is better.
I think we've firmly established that leftists are incapable of staying on topic, much less rational thought.
Has anyone come up with a figure, a sort of speed measurement that gauges how fast a leftist will start demanding you accept their claims of possessing functioning brain cells on faith?
We can call it the Dora ratio.
I'm thinking it's a 2:1 post ratio.
"Gee, I didn't know that" you were ALL such humble Platonists, like myself. ;-)
Plato, "Apology"
And here, O men of Athens, I must beg you not to interrupt me, even if I seem to say something extravagant. For the word which I will speak is not mine. I will refer you to a witness who is worthy of credit; that witness shall be the God of Delphi--he will tell you about my wisdom, if I have any, and of what sort it is. You must have known Chaerephon; he was early a friend of mine, and also a friend of yours, for he shared in the recent exile of the people, and returned with you. Well, Chaerephon, as you know, was very impetuous in all his doings, and he went to Delphi and boldly asked the oracle to tell him whether--as I was saying, I must beg you not to interrupt--he asked the oracle to tell him whether anyone was wiser than I was, and the Pythian prophetess answered, that there was no man wiser. Chaerephon is dead himself; but his brother, who is in court, will confirm the truth of what I am saying.
Why do I mention this? Because I am going to explain to you why I have such an evil name. When I heard the answer, I said to myself, What can the god mean? and what is the interpretation of his riddle? for I know that I have no wisdom, small or great. What then can he mean when he says that I am the wisest of men? And yet he is a god, and cannot lie; that would be against his nature. After long consideration, I thought of a method of trying the question. I reflected that if I could only find a man wiser than myself, then I might go to the god with a refutation in my hand. I should say to him, 'Here is a man who is wiser than I am; but you said that I was the wisest.' Accordingly I went to one who had the reputation of wisdom, and observed him--his name I need not mention; he was a politician whom I selected for examination--and the result was as follows: When I began to talk with him, I could not help thinking that he was not really wise, although he was thought wise by many, and still wiser by himself; and thereupon I tried to explain to him that he thought himself wise, but was not really wise; and the consequence was that he hated me, and his enmity was shared by several who were present and heard me. So I left him, saying to myself, as I went away: Well, although I do not suppose that either of us knows anything really beautiful and good, I am better off than he is,-- for he knows nothing, and thinks that he knows; I neither know nor think that I know. In this latter particular, then, I seem to have slightly the advantage of him. Then I went to another who had still higher pretensions to wisdom, and my conclusion was exactly the same. Whereupon I made another enemy of him, and of many others besides him.
Gnothi seauton!
There is always someone out there who knows more than you do.
I'm still searching for him... could you point me in the right direction?
Boorish is back?!...after that econ lesson, I didn't think he'd be that stupid...that must have been embarassing.
Oh, but, you don't get it! According to FJ, Socrates wasn't gay!
And Nietzsche loved Christianity!
Yet, FJ claims to be familiar with works such as: Lysis, Phaedrus, and Symposium: Plato on Homosexuality or W. Kaufmann's Basic Writings of Nietzsche?
Blogger Farmer John said...
There is always someone out there who knows more than you do.
I'm still searching for him... could you point me in the right direction?
Who said it was a him?
you imagine yourself as some sort of arbiter of art...
Yes, the Petronius Arbiter of art. Perhaps one day, I too can weave a tale as compelling as Ang Lee. In fact, I've already selected names for my main protagonists...Encolpius and Giton.
Think it'll play in Peoria? Now where have I seen a period in time like this before? At least I have a frame of reference. Multitemporality does that for one...
Who said it was a him?
No wonder I haven't found him! I must have been looking in ALL THE WRONG PLACES!
Maybe the doracle can set me straight, or better yet, turn me gay!
I always wanted to re-visit my feminine side... without having to drop the soap in the frigidarium
Farmer John said...
Who said it was a him?
No wonder I haven't found him! I must have been looking in ALL THE WRONG PLACES!
Maybe the doracle can set me straight, or better yet, turn me gay!
Well, if you are looking only where there are men..........
He can't do that because he is incapable of saying, "Gee, I didn't know that." That would be too much like admitting that he feels inferior.
Yup, their self-esteem is so small and fragile that admitting they didn't know something would make them feel really bad about themselves.
had read some bad reviews of "Pan's Labyrinth," but based on your other suggestions, I've put it in my que to rent. I did read that Guillermo del Toro translated the the subtitles into English himself.
I saw it in the theaters, and I was so impressed.
There's nothing more sophisticated in my mind than fantasy fiction. I bet you like Cinderella and The Little Mermaid too! Those are two of my favorites.
Omg, Jeremy here completely missed the whole point of the movie -- i.e. criticizing torture and authoritarianism. The whole film is about Franco's repression and the inhumanity of giving people power in an authoritarian regime. "The Lives of Others" was very much on the same topic -- the people are regular people, but when you put them into an authoritarian system, where some have complete power with inpunity over others, people inevitably start acting like monsters.
Yes, the Petronius Arbiter of art. Perhaps one day, I too can weave a tale as compelling as Ang Lee. In fact, I've already selected names for my main protagonists...Encolpius and Giton.
Think it'll play in Peoria? Now where have I seen a period in time like this before? At least I have a frame of reference. Multitemporality does that for one...
Uh oh, y'all, FJ saw Fellini's Satyricon, watch out! He's soooo sophisticated.
You know, i don't think these jerks are stupid because they are men -- I know plenty of smart men. Nope, it's just because they're them.
And Nietzsche loved Christianity!
Well, I'll admit that there were a few things that Niezsche didn't like about Christianity. It was mostly all that charity/love for his fellow man stuff that the secular humanists have extracted and turned into modern day social Gospel. That silly junk really turned Fred's stomach!
Hmmm. I also wonder why Fred got so upset to learn the G_d was dead? Why it would drive him to write soooo many polemical tracts
I see that without my firm hand on the tiller the place has descended into a very dismal exercise in middle school satire. The wingos, led by the touchingly childlike Justin, have decided they would attempt to lampoon The LIberal by playing out their own version of that noble animal. Good satire takes a complete and adult understanding of a subject and then by various devices seeks to reveal and display the flaws in that thing. These callow and inept lads stand that formula on its head and instead only expose and display the weakness of their simple minded understanding of the subject instead. And inevitably end up by satirizing the shallow and ignorant wingbat intellect and its failure to comprehend its subject. I'm appalled that the libs on here were so remiss in not nipping that tiresome inanity in the bud from the outset.
I saw it in the theaters, and I was so impressed.
With what? What struck you, the critics reviews? LOL!
I saw it in the theaters, and I was so impressed.
With what? What struck you, the critics reviews? LOL!
With what i described immediately below - the very compelling, convincing and vivid allegory criticizing torture and authoritarian regimes. I thought it was a very original and very well made film, on top of that.
I wonder if anyone can sit through this movie, and then say that it's okay to torture anyone.
Why don't you tell us exactly what N did like about Xtianity, carrot farmer?
Then expound a little on the god is dead thing. That should be funny.
The whole film is about Franco's repression and the inhumanity of giving people power in an authoritarian regime.
Was it? LOL!
What were the "people" doing all that time.
I wonder if anyone can sit through this movie, and then say that it's okay to torture anyone.
I would simply ask the author of that statement to ask herself the question, "Who won?" The fact or the fantasy?
Maybe you should just see the movie, johnny boy.
You know, i don't think these jerks are stupid because they are men -- I know plenty of smart men. Nope, it's just because they're them.
I don't believe that anyone has stated that they are stupid, or ignorant, because they are men.
I guess it's a good thing I lived in Franco's Spain, or I might not have known the answer to that question...
I don't believe that anyone has stated that they are stupid, or ignorant, because they are men.
No, but FJ here said something about me being bad at something because I'm a woman...?
The fascist officer in Pan,Sergi Lopez, is also great...one of me faves...he's the crazy guy in Friend Like Harry and was in another very good movie...Dirty Pretty Things.
You lived in Spain in 1944, which is when the movie takes place?
In fact, the movie is more specifically about pro-Franco forces hunting the dwindling anti-Franco guerilla insurgents, and the extreme brutality Franco exhibited towards the insurgents.
It's actually a movie sympathizing with insurgents who fight against authoritarianism.
I forgot how really good it was.
I wonder if anyone can sit through this movie, and then say that it's okay to torture anyone.
It depends on whether they're human to begin with. It would probably just get morons like these boys excited.
No, but FJ here said something about me being bad at something because I'm a woman...
Not a womyn? Your professor of Womyn's Studies at Miseducate U. must have loved flunking you out...
I thought Pan's Labyrith was a much better movie than Children of Men, but that's just me. I think both had very original ideas, but I think the former was even more impressive.
You lived in Spain in 1944?
Nope, but I was there fifteen years later and found out who won the war.
No, but FJ here said something about me being bad at something because I'm a woman...?
O...sometimes I skip over his soporific, plagiaristic crap.
It depends on whether they're human to begin with. It would probably just get morons like these boys excited.
Exactly. It's ultimately a movie about humanity -- if you're an angry, poorly-adjusted stunted violent boy, you won't like it.
Not a womyn? Your professor of Womyn's Studies at Miseducate U. must have loved flunking you out...
I've never taken a womyn's studies class, but thanks for asking. :)
I see that without my firm hand on the tiller the place has descended into a very dismal exercise in middle school satire.
Yes - thank you, most superior leader. We all feel so privileged to be in your presence. I'm amazed you have time to keep your firm hand on the tiller when so many important things must occupy the life of such a brilliant intellectual as yourself. Your words are sheer poetry. I salute you. Sieg...Heil! Sieg...Heil! Sieg...Heil!
You lived in Spain in 1944?
Nope, but I was there fifteen years later and found out who won the war.
Are you a Franco sympathizer/supporter?
I liked Pan a lot, but if you want to see an even better one about a similar subject, see a truly great Russian film called Come and See.
It's actually a movie sympathizing with insurgents who fight against authoritarianism.
Yep. They were sorta trapped in this labyrinth of fantasy, weren't they? Pan's Labyrinth?
Gee, I wonder if there's a Pandora's Labyrinth, too. Pan-dora All good things for all men...
Sounds kinda like the promises that the pols of the DNC make. I wonder what they've kept hidden in Obama's "change" jar...
btw - Dora, you can keep your box to yourself. I've heard rumours that its' lost its' "new car smell".
Now, "Dirty, Pretty Things" I have seen ('pun recommendation). That war gud.
Are you a Franco sympathizer/ supporter?
Nope. I'm a "realist" who's already escaped from one layrinth and isn't looking to get trapped in another.
I believe in the Alexander approach to Gordian Knots. Theseus had help fighting his Minotaur.
Jeremy said: Yes - thank you, most superior leader. We all feel so privileged to be in your presence. I'm amazed you have time to keep your firm hand on the tiller when so many important things must occupy the life of such a brilliant intellectual as yourself. Your words are sheer poetry. I salute you. Sieg...Heil! Sieg...Heil! Sieg...Heil!
Thanks, Jerry...may I call you that? I knew you'd appreciate it. Isn't that what a wingnut wants...a firm hand on his own little tiller?
I can only hope that dora washes her hands after maneuvering her tiller...
It's actually a movie sympathizing with insurgents who fight against authoritarianism.
Yep. They were sorta trapped in this labyrinth of fantasy, weren't they? Pan's Labyrinth?
Actually, the film was unabashedly anti-Franco and pro-insurgent, so that wasn't really a moral quandary in the movie. The Franco people were not sympathetic characters.
I'm a "realist" who's already escaped from one layrinth and isn't looking to get trapped in another.
What does that mean? Or is this the point in the argument where FJ retreats into drug-induced-like nonsense talk to obscure that he's lost the argument and has nothing else to say?
Well, we know you love Musharaff, so you have no problem with ruthless dictators. But you don't like Chavez.
How does your head not explode?!
Farmer John's scrambled, little peabrain seems to be even more of an amyloid plaque ridden labyrinth than usual today. He seems to have caught the current wingnut fad and reduced it even further to knee jerk flippancy...which he imagines is somehow very sophisticated. No shit, buddy, you were in Spain fifty fucking years ago when you were even stupider than you are now?
How does your head not explode?!
Unlike Leftist idealists... I can live w/Ecclesiastes 3.
and reduced it even further to knee jerk flippancy...
Thankyou. It takes a certain refined taste to create well written satire.
As Friedrich Nietzsche has said in explaining why old wingbats get so completely senile:
Individuals who are more conscientious—in other words, those with a tendency to be self-disciplined, scrupulous and purposeful—appear less likely to develop Alzheimer’s disease, according to a report in the October issue of Archives of General Psychiatry, one of the JAMA/Archives journals.
Conscientiousness refers to a person’s tendency to control impulses and be goal-directed, and is also known as will, work and dependability, according to background information in the article. It has been associated with a wide range of mental and physical disorders, disability and death, suggesting it may be important for maintaining overall health.
Robert S. Wilson, Ph.D., of Rush University Medical Center, Chicago, and colleagues studied 997 older Catholic nuns, priests and brothers who did not have dementia when the study began in 1994. Participants underwent evaluations that included medical history, neurologic examinations and cognitive testing. Conscientiousness was measured with a 12-item inventory, where participants rated agreement with each item (for example, “I am a productive person who always gets the job done”) on a scale of one to five. Scores ranged from zero to 48, with higher scores indicating more conscientiousness. The researchers conducted follow-up examinations annually through 2006, with an average of 7.9 evaluations per person.
The participants had an average conscientiousness score of 34 out of 48. Through a maximum of 12 years of follow-up, 176 individuals developed Alzheimer’s disease. Those who had conscientiousness scores in the 90th percentile (40 points) or higher had an 89 percent lower risk of developing Alzheimer’s disease than those whose scores ranked in the 10th percentile (28 points) or lower. Controlling for known Alzheimer’s disease risk factors did not substantially change these results. Conscientiousness also was associated with a slower rate of cognitive decline and a lower risk of mild cognitive impairment, a condition that may precede Alzheimer’s disease.
The researchers also analyzed results from brain autopsies of 324 participants who died during the study. In these patients, conscientiousness was not linked to any of the hallmark signs of Alzheimer’s disease, including brain plaques and tangles. However, conscientiousness did appear to modify the association of these brain changes with an individual’s cognitive abilities before death.
There are several ways by which conscientiousness might protect against Alzheimer’s disease, the authors write. First, conscientious individuals may be more likely to experience educational or occupational success, both of which have been associated with a reduced risk of Alzheimer’s disease. In addition, conscientiousness has been linked to resilience and to coping actively with difficulties. “These factors might lessen the adverse consequences of negative life events and chronic psychological distress, which have been associated with risk of dementia in old age,” the authors note.
“In conclusion, level of conscientiousness is associated with incidence of mild cognitive impairment and Alzheimer’s disease but not with the pathologic hallmarks of these conditions,” they continue. “Understanding the mechanisms linking conscientiousness to maintenance of cognition in old age may suggest novel strategies for delaying the symptoms of Alzheimer’s disease.”
It's kinda like an obverse "aristocrats" joke... you had to be there to appreciate it... but it ain't as much fun having to 'splain it w/links.
Unlike Leftist idealists... I can live w/Ecclesiastes 3.
Haha...we can't live with it?
My friend, we love that zany stuff.
Thanks, Jerry...may I call you that? I knew you'd appreciate it. Isn't that what a wingnut wants...a firm hand on his own little tiller?
You can call me whatever you want to, hot stuff. I'm just happy to be on the side of the philosopher kings, like yourself, that will lead us into Utopia. Boundless wisdom doesn't come with humility like I once thought, it comes with arrogant condescension and a sense of ultimate superiority.
Bad conscience is a sickness—there’s no doubt about that—but a sickness the way pregnancy is a sickness.--Nietzsche, GoM.
Simes,
Economic lesson? From you?
You'd never even heard of the Smoot-Hawley Act until I posted about it.
Kinda like Dora being exposed to terms like "ex post facto laws" and "bills of attainder" for the first time in her life in the other thread.
Yeah, you're going to give me economics lessons.
Bwhahahahahahahahahahahaha my ass off.
Some people maintain the appearance of an education w/a diploma. Other's forgoe appearances, and demonstrate the genuine article. ;-)
So, let's recap, FJ: Franco, good or bad? Musharaff, good ro bad? Chavez, good or bad?
Still can't get "Beyond Good & Evil", can you dora.
So much for the Ubermensch.
Kinda like Dora being exposed to terms like "ex post facto laws" and "bills of attainder" for the first time in her life in the other thread.
Oh, Bimbo, you can't seriously believe that.
Inferiority complexes usually go with superiority complexes.
Some people maintain the appearance of an education w/a diploma. Other's forgoe appearances, and demonstrate the genuine article.
And some people demonstrate exactly how abysmally stupid they are, even though they have a diploma in "marinery."
You can call me whatever you want to, hot stuff. I'm just happy to be on the side of the philosopher kings, like yourself, that will lead us into Utopia. Boundless wisdom doesn't come with humility like I once thought, it comes with arrogant condescension and a sense of ultimate superiority.
Lads like you inspire a feeling of superiority even in 'umble guys like me. It's not your boneheadedness...it's your pride in boneheadedness.
Uberwomynsch?
Lads like you inspire a feeling of superiority even in 'umble guys like me. It's not your boneheadedness...it's your pride in boneheadedness.
Thank you, oh wise one. I revel in each syllable. The 'umble part was especially cute. Hold on, let me write this down... Got it!
Uberwench!
Smoot-Hawley...haha, you pathetic peabrain...you just keep squirming yourself further down into the quicksand. S-H was a TARIFF act...and it came AFTER the great crash, in 1930. It did not raise taxes but did reduce world trade and thus helped spread the depression world wide. See, a GOP hand on the BIG TILLER of the economy is not satisfied with just a national depression...they like to bring everyone else down with them...which is why the whole world hates you guys.
It's not your boneheadedness...it's your pride in boneheadedness.
It's the difference between idiots and idiot assholes:
When someone makes bold statements, judgments, or decrees without bothering to get the facts of the matter straight and actually refuses to read up on it because they merely heard from someone else that it might conflict with his or her beliefs, that person is an idiot. And someone holds on to such uneducated statements, judgments, or decrees and defends them to the death with no regard for others' opinions, that person is an asshole.
So well-put on Jezebel.
uberbitch! hello?!
Jeremy says: Thank you, oh wise one. I revel in each syllable. The 'umble part was especially cute. Hold on, let me write this down... Got it!
Thanks,
'eep
You said it, not me.
Oh, but FJ, you don't get it. Being a cynical, somewhat bitter harpy bitch is really working for me. It's helped me achieve so many things that I've wanted to achieve.
And some people demonstrate exactly how abysmally stupid they are, even though they have a diploma in "marinery."
FJ, it appears, has marinated himself in the juices of his own stupidity--once again.
And Justin/Jeremy's moronically pathetic attempt at satire reveals only his own perverted neo-con thinking of what a liberal is.
Kinda like Dora being exposed to terms like "ex post facto laws" and "bills of attainder" for the first time in her life in the other thread.
Oh, Bimbo, you can't seriously believe that.
Oh, but I do seriously believe that, Arby's girl.
That's why when my point about ex post facto laws and bills of attainder against your "mortgage fraud" non-sequitur was met with personal attacks instead of a counter-argument.
It's to be expected from someone who believes cussing will get melted cheese off the grill faster.
Arby's girl.
btw - You do understand the difference between an "educated judgement" and an "opinion", don't you?
I wonder... according to you, Larissa is merely a city in Greece...
Oh, but FJ, you don't get it. Being a cynical, somewhat bitter harpy bitch is really working for me. It's helped me achieve so many things that I've wanted to achieve.
Congratulations on getting the manager to let you wear a jacket in the drive thru window on cold nights at Arby's, Dora.
Dora says:It's the difference between idiots and idiot assholes:
Yes, I've know a lot of dumb guys who I had nothing but admiration for...they had character, they had common sense, but these boys do nothing but mutually reinforce one another's stupidity and pretend to look down their noses at their betters. Then they want to whine about arrogance. They need it shoved back down their gaping mouths once in a while.
It's helped me achieve so many things that I've wanted to achieve.
Yes, I know. Getting coffee for the other associates at BigLaw is a goal every aspiring misanthrope should aspire to.
Oh, but I do seriously believe that, Arby's girl.
That's why when my point about ex post facto laws and bills of attainder against your "mortgage fraud" non-sequitur was met with personal attacks instead of a counter-argument.
No, it was met with personal attacks because your "point" made no sense, and only someone who has no idea what they're talking about would make it.
It's to be expected from someone who believes cussing will get melted cheese off the grill faster.
What's wrong with "cussing"? I have a class where professors "cuss" all the tiem, and they're still professors.
Arby's girl.
You talk about Arby's waaaaay too much. Do you eat there 3 times a day? Or maybe you work there? Or you worked there?
Mr. Beamish the Kakistocrat said...
Simes,
Economic lesson? From you?
You'd never even heard of the Smoot-Hawley Act until I posted about it.
Yeah, you're going to give me economics lessons.
So, you bring up something that you read about in high school, or junior high, which you still do not understand....I guess you could use a few lessons...in history, in economics, in logic....it's a loooong fuckin list.
Arby's ...getting coffee...blahblah ...see what I mean about these simple drones. Jesus, it any of them had a brain in his hollow skull, they'd bore each other to death.
The Smoot guy is so fucking stupid and transparent, though, that it's sort of a transcendent dementia...keep that guy cranked.
FJ,
If you make leftist heads explode, and I make leftist heads explode, how many heads do they have?
I'm going to visit other haunts.
Let me know when the leftists here fart out a new head to explode, m'kay?
Yes, I know. Getting coffee for the other associates at BigLaw is a goal every aspiring misanthrope should aspire to.
We have a lady with a cart that brings us drinks and snacks.
skyv...keep workin' on Rule #5. Perhaps one day you'll work your way up to #11.
btw- the #5... it just ain't that funny! The good news is that your only missing 1/2 of what it takes to actually be funny.
Beamish: I'm going to visit other haunts.
Haha...really, Smoot...you mean somewhere they haven't found out you're a moron?
We have a lady with a cart that brings us drinks and snacks.
Well there you go. You're only 25 and already your job has been rendered obsolete.
Hey Carrot Farmer...do you really think I might follow one of your links? If you want to help a guy out with comedy, though, try Sayet...there's a boy who really needs it. What does that poor dipshit do for a living now...what?! he's on welfare?
yeah...it's a trap. Don't click it or I'll track you down and expose your secret identity to the world of people who give a sh*t.
Smacked Down,
I brought up Smoot-Hawley to show why / how Hoover's 63% tax rate was in effect really a 90% tax rate to anyone who still had money to spend during the Great Depression.
You're probably still trying to figure out how "Hoover caused the Great Depression because he's a Republican" can mesh with Roosevelt's adopting and expanding Hoover's "socialist" economic platform and calling it "New Deal" is supposed to impress because Roosevelt was a Democrat.
I'm guessing your teeth look like Easter eggs from years of munching partisan crayons.
Just a guess.
It's not that it's a trap, Farmer, I don't bother for the same reason I don't bother with your non sequitur cut and paste Plato noise.
It all goes nowhere.
SkyVie,
Yes, that's it. I'm going to visit a site where racists who believe non-Democrat voting black folk are "Toms" don't call me a moron.
I'm going to cry now.
Not.
Hey, Smoot, cut your losses and move on. So, you're an idiot. Live with it. A lot of guys do.
Following Cool Cal into the presidency after the levy break of '27 didn't work out so well for Herb, did it beamish? methinks the subprime levy break of '07 ain't gonna make it much better for the office's next incumbent.
It all goes nowhere.
For you? Guilty!
FJ,
I don't think we have much to fear from these "truth to power" (guffaw) speakers. Especially when their "law expert" (snicker) works a drive thru window at Arby's.
Totally violate's Alinsky's rule #2.
The man must be rolling in his grave at the left right about now.
I hear that both Hillary and Barack were big Alinsky fans. Hillary's thesis showed some real promise. It's just a shame she never quite "got it"... cuz Barack ain't the enemy!
We have a lady with a cart that brings us drinks and snacks.
Well there you go. You're only 25 and already your job has been rendered obsolete.
You're right, they just pay me $3,100/week to do nothing.
You guys are so obsessed with my job -- it's kind of disturbing.
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