Thursday, May 08, 2008

Why The Rev. Threw Barry Under The Bus

In a world where genetics and not culture matter, Barack Obama was “half black.” In the real world, however, he is a white kid who called himself “Barry,” attended private school in the paradise of Hawaii, and went home each night to a mother and grandmother from the plains of Kansas. The influence of Barry’s black (African) father was negligible at best, providing him with little more than the name that the child quickly rejected in favor of the more Anglo moniker he used every day of his young life.

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Anonymous said...

Hahha ...funny, little losers trying to keep their morale up...hey, read Nooner; that'll lift your spirits.

But, damn, you found our blog...drat! What'll you do...post the same weak silliness you do on here?

Anonymous said...

I just think it's funny that Farmer wouldn't play the "Goldilocks and the Two Bears" argument with them, so they declared victory and tried to bluster their way through as though they'd won him over to "their" side, "Hot soup is better for you than cold soup!".

How much more immature do you think they can get? Don't answer, it was a rhetorical question...

John said...

Fathead quoted me:

"Economic problems?" We're still--by fat--the wealthiest nation in the world. Per capita income has risen steadily (if not sharply)."

Fatboy gloated:

"Haha...still-by-fat...you finally got one right."

What did I tell you about exulting over typos? Look on your keyboard: "t" & "r" are next to each other. It was a typo (duh).

Fathead moaned:

"Income for the less than wealthy classes has been going down and is heading down faster."

Ah yes. The ol' "Rich are Getting Richer and the Poor Poorer" shtick.
They (i.e. your pals) headlined the booming Reagan era with that.

The gap continued to widen throughout the fabulous "Clinton Economy" but you could only read about it in the fine print and there were too many bells and whistles going on for anyone to notice (or care).

Anyway, more millionaires and billionaires were created in the last seven years than any other time in history.

The American “poor” are obese, have cell phones, cable TV, Internet access, and automobiles (and, until recently, owned a home).

Real Gross National Income per Capita is the highest it’s ever been.

Opportunities abound for those who are willing to work hard and be responsible with their money.

Hard working Illegal aliens have opened their own businesses, are driving SUV's, live in nice houses in the burbs with Internet and cable amenities, and are able to send remittances to their families in South America.

What’s an American citizen’s excuse?

Halliburton?

Iraq?

And please don't give me some campaign spiel about Joe & Jane Six-pack working two jobs but can't afford health insurance.

“We’re living on the FAT of previous economic times.”

My foot. The dot.com balloon of the nineties popped before Laura could hang up the new drapes.

The “record” numbers that the Clinton regime rattled off on a daily basis weren’t real. They were cooked by corporate mega accountants like Arthur Anderson and the hijinks of mega-corporations like Enron and Worldcom.

The NASDAQ was full of hot air.

9/11 was being fearlessly planned.

The piper for all of that was paid in Bush’s first year in office (and kept getting paid giving speeches and writing books about how great he is to the tune of $109million dollars).

The FAT you’re living on was built from scratch and the smoking craters of 9/11.

“I’d explain how bad it’s really going to get but I don’t really give a shit whether you know or not. “

Yeah, right. That’s why you reconsidered and posted that hysterical economic doomsday piece anyway.

That’s the economic version of Gore’s Day After Tomorrow.

One’s junk science, the other junk economics.

They’re both the Kool-Aid you drink and peddle.

"See, dingaling, it's progressives and liberals who by definition..."

Time out. Just because you decide to call yourself the King of England does not mean you are by its definition.

The leftist is the inverted opposite of “liberal” and “progressive,” by their definitions.

The only thing “progressive” about you is the taxation system you champion.

"...are those who ALWAYS move everything FORWARD."

Easy, comrade. Famous last words there.

Of the blood-soaked Soviet Union and Nazism.

"...Meanwhile, you're trying to throw heretics and scientists in jail..."

Like Andres Serrano of Piss Christ fame?

Like Dan Brown of The Da Vinci Code?

We couldn't even lock up O.J. Simpson.

"...imprisoning the Galileos..."

Oh, please. Listen to you. Your modern-day "Galileos" are... scientists who are forbidden from pursuing embryonic stem cell research?

Get over it. Adult stem cells are better.
Unfortunately, now you have less of an excuse to abort gestating humans, which can be the only reason why you're whining since adult stem cells are better.

Anyway, how many of these heretics and maverick Galileos are in prison again?

What? I can’t hear you.

Oh, you were just engaging in bathos for effect. Nevermind. Please, continue.

"...denouncing every advance as witchcraft or wizardry..."

Oh, I get it now. You’re likening 21st Century conservatives with 17th Century popes, equating conservatism with Mediaevalism and liberalism with Renaissance humanism.

That's just wrong. The proper equation is that today's conservatives are heirs of the Enlightment thinkers, like Burke, and liberals of their contemporaries in Revolutionary France, radicals like "People Power" Robespierre (who had a LOT of people killed for the sake of "The People").

“…and the hilarious part is it still goes on...with evolution…”

You obviously have blind faith in Darwin who, along with Freud and Marx, forms your own Holy Trinity, the questioning of which causes more cries of “BLASPHEMY!” to go up than you could have heard at the Spanish Inquisition.

Darwin’s model has a lot of holes and comes nowhere near explaining how life spontaneously comes out of nothing.

I recommend the movie Expelled.
It goes beyond exploring the gaping flaws of the Darwinian narrative vis-à-vis the origin of life (Darwin is actually pretty quiet about that) and also covers the bizzarely dictatorial mindset of those who insist that, whatever triggered life (lightning bolts, extraterrestrial pollination, etc.) IT WASN’T GOD, DAMN IT!

And beware your reputation and/or your job if you even entertain the possibility that some supernatural force was involved in engendering the natural universe with life.

But why so touchy?

Obviously, you devoured Hitchen’s book *God is Not Great* and nodded enthusiastically "Yeah, yeah!" about his conclusion that theism--particularly Judeo-Christianity, and most especially Islam-- has been the cause of a great many evils in the world and that life for humans would be so much more idyllic if belief in this troublemaking sky-father was dismissed.

John Lennon's "Imagine" pretty much sums up Hitchen's position.

And he lays out a pretty compelling case that illustrates the brutally evident ungodliness of self-styled “Godly” men.

God Bless the Hitch. I love that guy. He’s a national treasure (and further proof, to me, of God), but he fixates on human nature to disprove the supernature of God, and that’s not theologically sound (you can’t blame him, because he’s not a theologian).

Conversely, Stein in the movie *Expelled* makes his own compelling case that godlessness is a much greater thing to be feared than godliness, if only because the moral laws tethered to religious traditions—like the sanctity of individual life—is the baby that’s thrown out with the bathwater.

The Nazis, in fact, we’re Darwinian “scientists,” as Stein chillingly exemplifies.

“… global warming…”

You guys are just as dictatorialy possessive of that—i.e. the cause of it-- as you are about the causes of life, insisting that the cause is manmade CO2 with the same end-of-discussion insistence of the spontaneous combustion of life on Earth

Both of those insistences are your own leaps of faith that may be propelled by enough empirical data to activate sound deduction/induction and to proceed to a conclusion that is beyond the data’s limits (which makes it a theory, not a “fact,” however probable).

But that does not warrant the rejection of other possibilities in the paradigm (which are not disproven by the data), indeed, "...denouncing every (other consideration) as witchcraft or wizardry..."

Do you see what I mean about projection?

It is YOU, fathead, who has the closed mind and a blind faith on your own intelligently designed causes, imperiously claiming a monopoly of “the facts” like some Grand Inquisitor brandishing red-hot pincers and ready, willing, but thankfully unable to pull blaspheming tongues out.

“…stem cell work…”

Who’s against stem cell research? Stem cells are going to be the next leap forward for humans. The issue that conservatives have with that is with embryonic stem cells, which are harvested from aborted humans (something unthinkable to the pioneers from the Age of Science and Reason).

Adult stem cells hold much more promise now, so the use of embryonic stem cells are a moot issue, which is good for science and the conservative conscience.

Why does it still bother you, then?

“… censorship..”

I think Mr. Sayet’s tolerance here for the defamation and slander you’ve hurled at him—in this very commentary section—speaks volumes about the conservative's dedication to Free Speech.

I’ve been to lefty blogs. 99% of them delete, censor, and ban “uppity” conservatives (except for the few token ones they let hang around for their comic relief).

99% (there was one named Dora who kept us on--out of principle--despite other lefties on the blog urging her to get rid of us. She was a rarity).

I’m damn sure, fats, that were this your blog, I would have been banned a long time ago.

*Expelled,* in fact, was about the left’s censorship of competing ideas, and expulsion--banning-- is the removal of a disruptive element for the purpose of silencing the disruption.

It’s a form of censorship (although I'm not saying it's never justified).

“you're FREAKS...backward freaks who try to stop everything new…”

Like Darwin’s *Origin of the Species?*

Freud’s *The Interpretation of Dreams?*

Marx’s *Das Kapital?*

Wilson’s League of Nations?

Hitler's *Mein Kampf*? (Hitler was a socialist, like his fascist pal Mussolini).

FDR’s New Deal? (which will bankrupt the country if it’s not revamped with more, shall I say, conservative formulations)

LBJ’s Great Society? (which ruined generations of minorities and had to be dismantled by Bill Clinton under political pressure from the new Republican congress and their Contract With America)

“… whether cultural…”

Like Andres Serrano’s Piss Christ? Same-sex marriages? Euthanasia? Legalization of marijuana?

“… or material…”

Like more drilling for oil and the building of new oil refineries?

No, that’s you guys cockblocking.

More nuclear power plants?

You guys again.

More money for space exploration?

Again, you guys.

SDI?

Ditto.

“…and have been doing since the beginning of time.”

Last time I checked, the Western Civilization which allows you to vent your fool mouth on the World-Wide Web (the invention of a heavily funded DoD and shared with the world by Western, cigar-chomping Capitalism) was jump-started by the Greeks that fj likes to quote—and which you ridicule--and given its moral conscience by the God of Israel, Who you hate.

And your mindset has been whining about it for thousands of years and promoting a return to Nature, because you’re animals.

“You're the lower order...the bottom half of mankind. You suck off all the achievements of past pioneers while denouncing the pioneers of the present...you're destructive, foot dragging scum who've tried to destroy every advance that forward thinking people have ever made.”

Fool.

John said...

Dude, time-out. I'm a cartoonist (among other things).

Anonymous said...

OUCH - their cheeks have gone from pink to ruby-red now! Of course, that's the problem with progressives. They start out pink, butt-end up ruby-red.

Anonymous said...

butt-end up ruby-red... rotflmao!

If I can add, for some reason the new left progressives have forgotten that process matters just as much as results. And so they abandon the processes establish by the Constitution and try and force their answers on the American people. In other word's they readily abandon constitutional government for populism.

No wonder nobody trusts them.

Anonymous said...

...but they're so much smarter and forward looking than us backward-thinking monkeys! Haven't you been listening to them, berty? The Constitution is such a DRAG!

Why do you think Nancy Pelosi and Jimmy Carter need to keep flying to the Middle East to meet with Hamas and Syrian dictators? THEY need to end the war, despite the fact that they have NO BUSINESS negotiating with terrorists in the midst of a war on terror (Logan Act)

And G_d forbid that the president should call them on it, you'd think that HE (and not the NY Times) wasn't responsible for directing America's foreign policy!
< /sarcasm off>

Anonymous said...

But farmer, I thought that most of the Left's activists were lawyers and legal eagle ACLU types. Isn't America's justice system almost ALL PROCESS with little punishment other that the time it takes for the process to wind its' way through?

John said...

It's pretty quiet. I think we won here, good people. Insurgents eliminated. Semper fidelis.

Waitasec, do you think Mr. Sayet actually prefers to preach to the choir with no detractors?

No debates?

And what about the lefties doing the best job themselves of proving Mr. Sayet's points about lefties?

Yikes. I may have miscalculated....

Yo, fathead! Boil! Frankie! Blossom! Suze! Iwannabanana! Come baaaaaaack!

Anonymous said...

THAT'S precisely the reason WHY the new left holds process in such contempt. They've come to believe that THEY are the law's guardian's and that whatever they think "should be", eventually will be. After all, who knows the law (and NOT The Good) better?

In other words, they 'think' they've discovered what Plato's "The Good" is (humanitarian progress), and are implementing it for us.

But how many lawyers are there who actually practice VIRTUE, the "science" of "The Good"? For virtue requires one to take the mean (and not an extreme) path. Most lawyers and politicians have shark reputations from the polemic extreme positions they are required by trade to take, NOT the mean (there are judges for that). And so the legal process instills in them habits "opposite" of Plato's "Good" and virtue.

Fortunately, the system that we inherited was designed so that the sharks would always have to contend against one another... but we can also recognize the early symptoms of breakdown in that system in the contempt for "process" that advocates of the New Left currently displays (especially those allied with the Congressional Progressive Caucus, Barack Obama, Nancy Pelosi and Bernie Saunders).

Anonymous said...

John,

Maybe they're sitting by their antiquated FAX machines waiting for the day's DNC talking points memo?

Anonymous said...

I recommend the movie Expelled.
It goes beyond exploring the gaping flaws of the Darwinian narrative vis-à-vis the origin of life (Darwin is actually pretty quiet about that) and also covers the bizzarely dictatorial mindset of those who insist that, whatever triggered life (lightning bolts, extraterrestrial pollination, etc.) IT WASN’T GOD, DAMN IT!


That's embarrassing. You obviously have no idea what evolution actually is.

Anonymous said...

Wow...quite the shit storm here, today!!...every point they try to make is such a weirdly twisted oddity that you'd have to hold a seminar on the basics to get them acquainted with reality before you even started to straighten them out. But they don't like reality...

And please don't give me some campaign spiel about Joe & Jane Six-pack working two jobs but can't afford health insurance.

Why not, Plato...the economy for the non-wealthy has been going slowly in the toilet for about thirty years now -- and please don't imagine we're defending the whored out Clintons on this point -- and it's about to get considerably worse...the HUGE rise in food prices, commodities,gas prices and that little matter about homes is just the beginning.

Anonymous said...

Fifth corrupt whore leaves McCain machine...GOP crime wave rolls on...

Anonymous said...

That's embarrassing. You obviously have no idea what evolution actually is.

Really? Since you seem to be setting yourself up as judge, kindly show us that YOU know what it is, mr. critic! We're waiting....

Anonymous said...

How DID life begin on this planet?

Now PROVE it.

Anonymous said...

Are we actually supposed to take morons who don't believe in evolution, stem cell research, climate change and everything else seriously as equals or anything but funny clowns to fuck around with...hey, how'd that Schiavo thing turn out for you? Hilarious to try to make their dark age superstitions sound respectable, though...that's the attraction...like watching a bunch of chimps trying on evening wear...where's the goddamn tail hole?

Anonymous said...

...now confess that you don't KNOW ANY better that I do. That the Sky G_d theory is currently JUST as valid (and unprovable) as the Darwinian theory.

Anonymous said...

ps - And who said we didn't 'believe' in any of those things you listed? I believe in all of them... only I place limits on our PRESENT ability to use any of the above listed technologies to any "good" effect.

Anonymous said...

How did life begin on this planet?

Well, see...uh, five thousand years ago, a magic guy in the sky waved his hand and you know the rest. We can prove that, too...it say so in de good book, a collection of ancient writings by some guys that had direct contact with the sky being. While much good work has been done recently on the beginnings of life on earth, evolutionay theory does not pretend to explain the ultimate creation of the universe or universes, however, they've pretty much ruled out the above hypothesis...harhar.

Anonymous said...

ps - and yeah, I'm so glad you were allowed to starve Terry Shiavo to death. You should be proud of that, REAL proud....

< /sarcasm?>

Anonymous said...

The anti-science right (which, if you went by the commenters on this blog, is all of them, although I know that's not the case) likes to conflate evolution of species by the means of natural selection (Darwin's breakthrough, and a scientific theory that is backed by reams and reams of evidence) with the origin of life on this planet, an event which exists mostly in the realm of conjecture. The Theory of Evolution doesn't purport to explain how life began on this planet, nor does it need to in order to be factually correct. Hopefully I didn't use too many big words for you anti-science types, but if I did I can break it down more simply.

Anonymous said...

...now confess that you don't KNOW ANY better that I do. That the Sky G_d theory is currently JUST as valid (and unprovable) as the Darwinian theory.



Why would I confess to anything so psycopathically ridiculous. Your grasp of Darwin is that of a child...a willfully stupid one. And what the fuck is a g_d? Learn to spell or get out of here, troll.

Anonymous said...

Well, see...uh, five thousand years ago, a magic guy in the sky waved his hand and you know the rest. We can prove that, too...it say so in de good book, a collection of ancient writings by some guys that had direct contact with the sky being. While much good work has been done recently on the beginnings of life on earth, evolutionay theory does not pretend to explain the ultimate creation of the universe or universes, however, they've pretty much ruled out the above hypothesis...harhar.

We've pretty much ruled out that hypothesis too. That you build straw men and knock them down doesn't mean anything. Your confusion as to the problem is apparent in your selection of words, as well. You imply that the universe(s) was "created". Now can anything be created without a "Creator"?

Anonymous said...

We're not anti-science at all. We simply refuse to grant science powers that it does not have and keep it operating within it's limitations... like the ability to decide questions related to human happiness. In other words, we also believe in the "humanities".

Anonymous said...

...now confess that you don't KNOW ANY better that I do. That the Sky G_d theory is currently JUST as valid (and unprovable) as the Darwinian theory.


Dumb shit telling us she wasn't already dead...see, if it was up to us, much quicker means of ending "lives" like this would be available. Now, let's see how many hospitals we can fill up with artificially supported corpses; we know you don't care much about the living people who actually could use the help, you vile, sociopathic worm.

Anonymous said...

And just because you have NO respect for people that think differently from you does NOT give you the right to insult the beliefs (JUST as valid) of others. So YOU go FUCK YOUSELF, TROLL!

Anonymous said...

That response was meant for this particular idiotic remark rather than his last idiotic remark:

ps - and yeah, I'm so glad you were allowed to starve Terry Shiavo to death. You should be proud of that, REAL proud....


Dumb shit telling us she wasn't already dead...see, if it was up to us, much quicker means of ending "lives" like this would be available. Now, let's see how many hospitals we can fill up with artificially supported corpses; we know you don't care much about the living people who actually could use the help, you vile, sociopathic worm.

Anonymous said...

much quicker means of ending "lives" like this would be available

I agree entirely. That's what war and the death penalty's for. To kill vermin scum.

Anonymous said...

...and not innocent people that could be just as easily kept alive indefinitely.

Anonymous said...

...or are YOU goinf to try and tell us she was in PAIN? LOL!

Anonymous said...

And just because you have NO respect for people that think differently from you does NOT give you the right to insult the beliefs (JUST as valid) of others. So YOU go FUCK YOUSELF, TROLL!



Oh, I do have great respect for those who think differently...but not for those who don't think at all, but who rationalize the most insane and evil beliefs. Your environmental denials, for instance, have caused so much horror in the world and are now about to take us all down into unimaginable catastrophes...you are evil vermin who cannot think at all.

Anonymous said...

Okay, so you've confessed as to what Evolution "CAN'T" tell us... now tell us what it CAN do....

can it tell us what the next step is "beyond" human beings?

If not, what are you going to "genetically engineer" differently (since EVOLTION is no longer "good enough" for you)?

Anonymous said...

Let's stick to evolution, franky. I know that like a magician, you're into constantly changing the subject through misdirection... and that your generation suffers from perpetual ADD... but try and concentrate for a change.

Anonymous said...

frankie - You're about to move BEYOND evolutionary theory and into the "'n stein" era... so what is your rationale for genetic engineering... and what are the limits (if any) you prescribe for it? Are we going to enter the GATTACA age, mr. Stein, or NOT? Is "intelligence" a trait we require "more" of?

Anonymous said...

...and on what ethical basis are you going to justify the decanting of deltas, gammas and epsilon's in your "Brave New World"?

Anonymous said...

Oh, I do have great respect for those who think differently...but not for those who don't think at all, but who rationalize the most insane and evil beliefs. Your environmental denials, for instance, have caused so much horror in the world and are now about to take us all down into unimaginable catastrophes...you are evil vermin who cannot think at all.

Now prove to us that you've got this whole genetic engineering/ evolution thing ALL thought out. We're waiting mr. stein.

Anonymous said...

If not, what are you going to "genetically engineer" differently (since EVOLTION is no longer "good enough" for you)?


Well, I know what I'd do, but that would be going beyond what "the left" would do. Obviously, you'd start out with diseases, maybe life span. Beyond that I, PERSONALLY, would begin to very slowly work on character issues since that's the crux...intellectual integrity and empathy make up the core of a worthwhile mind far more than mere IQ...but that would eliminate you... damn shame. But I doubt we'll ever get that far. We're about to pay the piper for our...no, your idiocy in disregard for the orb that supports us.

John said...

Boil quoted:

"I recommend the movie Expelled.
It goes beyond exploring the gaping flaws of the Darwinian narrative vis-à-vis the origin of life (Darwin is actually pretty quiet about that) and also covers the bizzarely dictatorial mindset of those who insist that, whatever triggered life (lightning bolts, extraterrestrial pollination, etc.) IT WASN’T GOD, DAMN IT!"

Boil dictatorially insisted:

"That's embarrassing. You obviously have no idea what evolution actually is."

"Obviously," Boil? Explain to me how it is "obvious" to you that I "have no idea" what evolution is based on that quote about Darwinism.

There's no "gaping flaws" in the theory?

Contrary to what I wrote, did Darwin actually write a lot about the origin of life?

Was it he that speculated about lightning and amino acids?

Extraterrestrial pollination?

No he did not.

That's all I said about Darwinism. I didn't say a peep about evolution.

And yet:

"That's embarrassing. You bviously have no idea what evolution actually is."

Are you clairvoyant?

What's embarassing is that you don't know how to read and/or like to blurt out whatever comes into your head divorced from the information you're blurting about.

Anonymous said...

Are you saying now that the "progressives" are TOTALLY CLUELESS and in DISACCCORD as to the GOAL we must "progress" towards?

You also think you can one day genetically engineer "intellectual integrity" and "CHARACTER"? Whatever happened to "nurture"?

WOW! Your complete IGNORANCE as to the limitations of science are APPLALLING!

Perhaps now you'll understand our "no confidence" vote in you abilities to "lead" us into the 21st century.

Anonymous said...

Personally, I think certain natural disabilities and defects have made the human species stronger today than it otherwise would have been...

...but I guess it IS easier just to identify and abort all the "physical defectives" not measuring up to the Left's standards of human perfection.

Anonymous said...

Oh, now he believes in all that science stuff. Wow, that's sooo enlightened...I guess they like don't believe it and do believe it all at the same time...clooooowns.

Anonymous said...

...and so when the earth's environment does change, the human population can crash just like so much genetically engineered hybrid corn, unable to survive outside of certain carefully but artificially prescribed cultural limits and having no "variability" whatsoever to permit evolution or 'natural selection' to reassert itself. Test tube babies ONLY!

Homo sapiens sapiens. Extinct becuase it was unable to adapt to suit changed environmental circumstances.

Or is it in the plan to genetically engineer us all to be "global warmth" tolerant?

Anonymous said...

This is why you don't debate these clowns...you just fuck with them to get these strange, hilarious blurts going...this weirdo spends more time telling me what I think than I do...and of course it's all totally idiotic caricature.

Anonymous said...

I have two science degree's and have worked in the hard sciences for nigh on twenty years.

Your science background is...???

Anonymous said...

Spanked again, eh girls? You ought to just wear your panties around your ankles, permanently.

ROTFLMAO!

Anonymous said...

Yeah, I was thinking Boil's and your beliefs on evolution etc were pretty funny when FJ splane them to us...hahaha.

Anonymous said...

Please, tell us what you DO think! So far, it's a LAUGH RIOT!

What ARE we progressing towards? What is YOUR "vision"?

Anonymous said...

Yeah, I was thinking Boil's and your beliefs on evolution etc were pretty funny when FJ splane them to us...hahaha

...and I was thinking how fuuny your beliefs on the 'nature' of G_d were pretty funny, too, when you were splanin' them to me.... especially since I acknowledge that his 'nature' can't be adequately 'splained.

Anonymous said...

If this simple, one note little twat keeps talking about getting spanked, I'm going to have to start thinking "she" has the GOP/priest disorder. Try to get your dirty, little mind off our asses, Alice...I'm afraid it's nothing but right wing monkey ass for a dumb little doggie like you.

Anonymous said...

...and as far as Darwinian evolution goes, I'd love to hear what caused the pre-Cambrian explosion... or the extinction of the dinosaur. Wouldn't you, John?

Anonymous said...

I like watchin' you get spanked, too, lana. Nice tattoo... does that say "fj" on the left cheek now? I already read the "john" on the right one. :)

Anonymous said...

Whillikers, you really spanked her there, Lana...her panties is away down and her ass izza stickin out there now all scarlit lookin....lol rofltmao fstdlaot!!

Anonymous said...

Hey, Big Zero...we all know the only ass you'll ever see is when you're picking pimples in the mirror. lawl robtelee lsmft

Anonymous said...

ta daaaaa! Here we are Mr Psychet...the Morones have landed. We will bail yore ass out now sure shit...even though we're simple little chimps who can't find out way into a four by four outdoor shithouse with a bright red door on each side, weze gone sure save you ass from these trolls...git reddy fer some spankin now!!!

Anonymous said...

Yep, DEFINITELY spanked, snaked & naped!

I love the smell of napalm in the evening...

Anonymous said...

My, my, my...

Lookie who just got the Klan's endorsement...

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Frankie said:

"Are we actually supposed to take morons who don't believe in evolution, stem cell research, climate change and everything else seriously as equals or anything but funny clowns to fuck around with..."

Frankie, I'm getting worried about you. It's like you have screaming voices in your head telling you to blurt stuff out of the blue.

I never said I disbelieve--or believe, for that matter--in evolution, stem cell research, or climate change, and I didn't say anything that could indicate my positions on them.

What you did was refer to a stereotyped caricature of the "right wingnut" that you have floating around in your cranium that has him clinging a hunting rifle in one hand, toting a Bible in the other, denying that anything out of the ordinary is happening to the weather, believing that stem cell research has something to do with Frankenstein, and that the first human beings--a fully formed male and female--appeared in Iraq about 6,000 years ago as nudists.

That's because you're a judgmental bigot who thinks all Republicans/Conservatives/Right-Wingers think the same.

But that's a projection. Any objective observer would note that all of the Rep./Con./R.W.s here are individuals with their own unique voice and outlook and assuredly vary with one another on issues.

Because we're free thinking individuals.

However, that same observer would note that ALL of you sound the same (so much so that is tricky to discern how many of you are actually the same person using aliases).

ALL of you subscribe to the exact same beliefs and have a Manichaean worldview that divides humanity along the lines of those who think that existence is the result of dumb luck (the "elite") and those who chalk it up to Providence (the "freaks").

ALL of you sneer as if a "freak" who has moral scruples about harvesting embryonic stem cells is against "stem cell research."

ALL of you sneer as if a rational--and justified--skepticism vis-a-vis anthropogenic CO2 causing climate change doesn't believe, then, in climate change.

At the dark heart of all your sneering is a desire to murder God because from there comes the Grace that ennobles and sanctifies the human life that you have contempt for (as projected by your own neurotic self-loathing that belies the facade of arrogance).

And so we are a freak accident brought about by lightning strikes and amino acids.

The aborted, embryonic human has as much dignity as snot.

At the same time, while you downgrade human beings to the fungal level of any other natural life form on this "planet," this stellar "orb," in the same breath you unwittingly admit that we are exeptional in nature, supernatural by our abilities to affect a planetary climate simply by breathing, consuming, defecating and driving to work.

You unwittingly admit that we are not part of nature, but imposers on it, and we should stop acting so supernatural and instead submit to nature.

"hey, how'd that Schiavo thing turn out for you?"

Why don't you ask her family, asshole?

"Hilarious to try to make their dark age superstitions sound respectable, though..."

You're not Chris Hitchens. Stop trying to ape him.

"that's the attraction...like watching a bunch of chimps trying on evening wear...where's the goddamn tail hole?"

Chimps don't have tails, nitwit. Monkeys do.

Frankie lectured:

"How did life begin on this planet?
Well, see...evolutionay theory does not pretend to explain the ultimate creation of the universe or universes, however, they've pretty much ruled out the above hypothesis...harhar."

What set off Boil was my commenting:

"I recommend the movie *Expelled.*
It goes beyond exploring the gaping flaws of the Darwinian narrative vis-à-vis the origin of life (Darwin is actually pretty quiet about that) and also covers the bizzarely dictatorial mindset of those who insist that, whatever triggered life (lightning bolts, extraterrestrial pollination, etc.) IT WASN’T GOD, DAMN IT!"

He assessed:

"That's embarrassing. You obviously have no idea what evolution actually is."

Then neither does Frankie, since he plagiarised my summary.

Boil sneered:

"The anti-science right (which, if you went by the commenters on this blog, is all of them, although I know that's not the case)..."

Going by the lefty commenters on this blog, all of you equate theism with "anti-science."

The "pro-science" positions you've taken are the "science" that allows you to dogmatically assert that individual human beings are not only not "special," but are freaks of nature that are more often than not detrimental to nature and must be "controlled," can be used like laboratory rats, and mocked as worthless if vegetating in a hospital and clung to by her family who loves her and holds up hope despite ridiculing detractors who jeer that it is hopeless to think that a living girl can live (supporting the husband who wanted another piece of ass).

"...likes to conflate evolution of species by the means of natural selection (Darwin's breakthrough, and a scientific theory that is backed by reams and reams of evidence) with the origin of life on this planet, an event which exists mostly in the realm of conjecture."

Again, I said:

"Darwin’s model has a lot of holes and comes nowhere near explaining how life spontaneously comes out of nothing....(Darwin is actually pretty quiet about that)..."

And:

"The Theory of Evolution doesn't purport to explain how life began on this planet..."

I said it first. Pay attention.

"...nor does it need to in order to be factually correct."

We're not talking about the merits or demerits of Darwinian Theory, spaz. We were talking about Intelligent Design vs. random, spontaneous generation of complex biology from lifeless matter and how YOU insisted that life began on this planet out of lifeless matter at random as concluded, presumably, from Darwinian Theory which you use as a scientific front to justify your attacks on Intelligent Design, fool.

"Hopefully I didn't use too many big words for you anti-science types, but if I did I can break it down more simply."

You're a festering microbe on a glass slide that I can see through a microscope, Boil, and you ain't pretty.

Frankie said:

"...now confess that you don't KNOW ANY better that I do. That the Sky G_d theory is currently JUST as valid (and unprovable) as the Darwinian theory."

Jesus Christ, Frankie, listen to yourself. You sound like a priestly, Spanish Inquisitor slowly turning the crank on a rack:

"CONFESS, blasphemer! Confess and be saved!"

Meanwhile, your spelling of God as "G_d" indicates a superstitious sentiment about the word, fool.

fj discerned:

"Your confusion as to the problem is apparent in your selection of words, as well."

Bingo.

"You imply that the universe(s) was 'created'. Now can anything be created without a 'Creator'?"

And Frankie, like a frowning, arm-crossed Wile E. Coyote, shrinks from view as he plummets down intio a canyon with a whistle after being hoist by his own petard and disappears with a "poof" as he hits.

Frankie bragged:

"Dumb shit telling us (Schiavo) wasn't already dead..."

She was alive and responsive to stimuli.

If we find a microbe on Mars, we're going to treat it like a King.

And you'll be the first to roll out the red carpet.

"see, if it was up to us, much quicker means of ending 'lives' like this would be available."

Maybe you should divert that murderous impulse to the convicts on death row.

You know, "lives" like THAT.

"Now, let's see how many hospitals we can fill up with artificially supported corpses..."

Maybe we'd have more room and resources to keep them alive if we didn't have our prisons filled with dead men walking who could very well outlive the average life expectancy of those on the outside who don't have guaranted room and board, medical services, and don't have to pay a dime to lawyers whose job it is to keep them alive.

But no, let's euthanize disabled innocents who have families who love them, instead!

Barbarians.

Frankie projected:

"Oh, I do have great respect for those who think differently...but not for those who don't think at all, but who rationalize the most insane and evil beliefs."

Iwannabanana said:

"Oh, now he believes in all that science stuff. Wow, that's sooo enlightened...I guess they like don't believe it and do believe it all at the same time...clooooowns."

Hiiiiiiiiiii llllaaaanaaaaaa.

frankie projected (AGAIN):

"you just fuck with them to get these strange, hilarious blurts going..."

I said it first, Frankie (about Boil):

"What's embarassing is that you don't know how to read and/or like to blurt out whatever comes into your head divorced from the information you're blurting about."

Do any of you have a single original thought of your own?

"this weirdo spends more time telling me what I think than I do..."

I was first with that one, too:

"Are you clairvoyant?"

"and of course it's all totally idiotic caricature."

Yup, that too:

"What you did was refer to a stereotyped caricature of the "right wingnut" that you have floating around in your cranium..."

Actually, I didn't say that last one "first." I said it earlier in this commentary (before I came across this comment of yours) but my side identified it and has been saying it for a liong time, so you're still a plagiarising, projecting copycat.

Iwannabanana said:

"If this simple, one note little twat keeps talking about getting spanked, I'm going to have to start thinking 'she' has the GOP/priest disorder."

It isn't her, Iwanna. You're the one who keeps coming back for more.

"Try to get your dirty, little mind off our asses, Alice..."

You're not suggesting that only people with "dirty little minds" have a thing for butts, are you Iwanna?

"I'm afraid it's nothing but right wing monkey ass..."

Ten-HUP! :)

"...for a dumb little doggie like you."

Uh-oh. Psst! Catfight at Sayet's! Pass it on!"

(My money's on Alice!)

Seriously, Iwanna, you can't expect us "monkey ass" right wingers and "dumb doggies" to match wits with a razor-sharp intellect such as yours that is just sooooooooo serious and formidable and doubly-spanks and shames us with stinging rebukes like "cloooooowns" and the obligatory "hahahahas," can you?

FJ said:

"...and as far as Darwinian evolution goes, I'd love to hear what caused the pre-Cambrian explosion..."

It was lightning striking a goopy algae of amino acids which caused them to rearrange their molecular structures into coded chains of DNA out of which popped VERY ambitious amphibians.

You know, like magic.

"or the extinction of the dinosaur. Wouldn't you, John?"

Sure would. I thought it was a meteor that kicked up enough dirt to form a persistent cloud cover that caused global cooling and killed the cold-blooded beasts.

Then I heard it was an uptick in volcanic activity that belched out enough CO2 to cause global warming which in turn destabilized the climate enough to eventually usher in the Ice Age a period or so and a few epochs in change later.

And it just so happened that Neanderthals and Cro-Magnons had started to barbecue at around the same time, m-hm...

Then there's solar and orbital considerations, but we can't talk
about them because there's absolutely nothing we could tweak and tamper with to do anything about those, and we must tweak and tamper with SOMETHING to justify the research grants and the environmentalist agenda and keep us busy...

Huge-O Chavez said:

"I like watchin' you get spanked, too, lana. Nice tattoo... does that say 'fj' on the left cheek now? I already read the 'john' on the right one. :)"

See, Iwanna? You can't blame Alice for noticing the obvious.

Consider them badges of honor.

Alice identified:

"Yep, DEFINITELY spanked, snaked & naped!

I love the smell of napalm in the evening..."

Alice, I swear, my thoughts EXACTLY this morning (but I got called away before I could post it).

Great minds think alike. ;)

FJ said:

My, my, my...

Lookie who just got the Klan's endorsement..."

lol Senator Kleagle.

He's just trying to compensate for the fact that his state voted along racial lines and landslided against Obama (and that he was a kleagle in the Klan).

Democrats.

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Anonymous said...

OUCH!!!! If this is true and the tape leaks... Obama is TOAST.

No wonder Obama's telling the GOP to "lay-off" his wife. He's wishin' he could lay-her-off just about now...

John said...

I love the smell of napalm in the morning. :)

John said...

...I just hope they hold off until the vampire is staked.

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Anonymous said...

I take it that Evan's trolls chose timeouts instead of spankings today?

And I with you, John. This is one video worth saving for after the convention.

Anonymous said...

Hey, who's deleting all their own comments? Did they take a look at them and actually realize how cockroach dumb they sounded? That's a commendable virtue in a wingbat...you should all follow suit.

Anonymous said...

Oh, yes...like O's wife is running for president. Of course, this was the line that was most telling in the whole story...Republicans may have a lousy record when it comes to the economy and the management of the war in Iraq, but they are hell on wheels when it comes to opposition research.

Another words (I'm trying to speak in your tongue...haha) The GOP is a disaster at everything but slinging mud!!...and they actually post this to each other...and to us!! Smaht mewv.

Anonymous said...

...said the poo slinging troll.

*snickers*

Anonymous said...

...the SOURCE being a Hillary Clinton campaign advisor...

*tee-hee*

Anonymous said...

...the SOURCE being a Hillary Clinton campaign advisor...



Monkey impugning its own source...too funny.

Anonymous said...

That's NOT a McCain for President endorsement on the Sources blog.

tee hee

btw- Do you speak chimpanzee?

Anonymous said...

See for youself!

;+

Anonymous said...

...and he's NOT donating money to any Republicans...

Any more questions, Cheetah?

giggles

John said...

I said:

"Uh-oh. Psst! Catfight at Sayet's! Pass it on!

(My money's on Alice!)"

I win. And I get paid double because it was two against one.

Dayum, Alice, I felt like I was watching a Jackie Chan movie. I'm really glad we're on the same side (and remind me never to anger you).

Iwanna, you really should do a little fact-checking before you start yapping like a little dumb doggie and nipping at the heels of catwoman.

What can I say about your performance, Blossom?

You only managed to prove that conservative women are not only hotter, but smarter (as Foxnews proves on a nightly basis, anyway).

And btw, you should really check out Alice's posted expose on Barack''s chumminess with more people who really hate Jews.

After reading that, you really should consider writing checks to Hagee.

P.S. You might want to put some ice on that.

John said...

"Hey, who's deleting all their own comments? Did they take a look at them and actually realize how cockroach dumb they sounded?

That's a commendable virtue..."

Thank you, Blossom. I'm a perfectionist.

And since your side resorts to neurotically nitpicking over typos to make your arguments, I made sure not to feed that neurosis for your own good and force you to argue substantively.

I'd hardly be surprised, however, if you find something else to avoid doing that.

John said...

(giggle)

Anonymous said...

What's this guy babbling about? He puts out more senseless material than anyone I've heard...seems we're supposed to keep track of something he said before when nobody reads it in the first place after the first few non sequiturs...and now it's cat fights and some other shit?

Now...Go, Bobby:

Bob Barr entered the presidential race last week as a Libertarian, in time for that party's nominating convention (which starts Thursday), and while the former Republican congressman from Georgia isn't going to become president, his run is no joke. Barr might well inherit the sizable support garnered by Rep. Ron Paul during his own run for the Republican nomination -- and leave McCain sputtering the sorts of epithets usually uttered by Democrats talking about Ralph Nader.

Though Barr's promises to drastically shrink government spending, begin withdrawing from Iraq and protect civil liberties will undoubtedly appeal to capital-L Libertarians, there's little evidence that he has much of a national following. Reporters covering his announcement at the National Press Club noted that no Libertarian candidate has ever garnered more than 1 million votes and that Barr's most recent high-profile media appearance was a joke played on him in the "Borat" movie.

But he could still seriously siphon votes from McCain in the fall -- not because Barr is such a compelling candidate, but because he could become the vehicle for the many disaffected Republicans gathered under Paul's flag. Consider the following facts:

-- More than a million votes have been cast for Paul, about 5 percent of the total cast in Republican primaries so far.

-- Paul's activists are swarming local Republican Party committees and conventions, quietly capturing or lining up delegates in states such as Alaska, Missouri, Minnesota, Florida, Texas and Washington.

And on the Web, the Paul movement -- which, astonishingly, generated enough grass-roots support to make him the top Republican presidential money-raiser in the fourth quarter of 2007 -- is still going strong. His Web site is getting about 50,000 unique visitors per week, compared to 90,000 for McCain, according to data marketing company Compete.com. (The two Democratic candidates' combined traffic is about six times higher.)

On Google, people are searching for the term "Ron Paul" almost as often as "John McCain." And Paul's new book, "The Revolution: A Manifesto," which has been topping Amazon's sales chart for weeks, hit No. 1 on the New York Times bestseller list Sunday.

Clearly, one sizable chunk of the Republican base -- small-government types who also oppose the Iraq war -- hasn't reconciled itself to voting for McCain. In Minneapolis, at the Republican National Convention, Paul may have a couple dozen delegates and enough street presence to spoil McCain's show. These days, all it takes is one person with a Web-enabled mobile phone to put live video on the Internet, and Paul's fans have already shown how good they are at using the Web to spread messages and keep their movement going. So even if the Republicans manage to keep Paul himself off the stage at the convention, his voice will still be heard.

If Barr manages to capture the attention of Paul's base, it could spell real danger for McCain.

Anonymous said...

Hot damn, alice, I've got a feeling that wasn't the first monkey you ever spanked. ;-)

Anonymous said...

as nanc would say...

(::)(::) OUCH!

(or something like that)

Anonymous said...

The American Idiot agreed yesterday to help Saudi Arabia protect its oil industry from terrorist attack,
while offering to back conservative Arab countries resisting Iranian influence spreading across the Middle East.

The White House announced new agreements with the kingdom as President George the Stupid flew to
Riyadh for private talks with King Abdullah at his ranch (They have ranches in the sand?) outside the capital.
But the king was not persuaded to stop gouging America to the tune of $127-a-barrel oil. They just went up to 129 instead...making a point.

So Bush went over there begging like a hooker needing a fix - and the Saudis told him no. That's the clout we need on the world stage. It seems nobody even bothers to pretend where The Idiot President is concerned anymore. Knowing this, wouldn't you think, Dick would have just grounded him when Dubya said he wanted to ride the big airplane he used to run away on 9/11 ?

John said...

fj said:

"as nanc would say...

(::)(::) OUCH!"

Band-aids. Cool emoticon. They're going to come in very handy for our accident-prone antagonists.

Anonymous said...

Only their skydaddy knows for sure...their blog is nothing but this kind of stuff...how dare they infect a nice liberal blog like this with it...haha...

Yes, Frank, you wonder why they don't just keep him out of sight as much as possible and let McCain take the spotlight off his bumbles. The funny thing is, McSame made another one of his famous misstatements on Iwreck today. This kind of similarity in their verbal pratfalls makes them seem like twins. The Bush III thing is turning out to be a very useful campaign tool.

John said...

So are the Kentuckians. Looking forward to a Chicago '68 redux in Denver this year, Blossom. :*

Anonymous said...

Maybe this explains their problem:

“In post-World War II, a group of social scientists were very concerned or very interested to find out if what had happened in Italy and Germany under Mussolini and Hitler could occur in the United States. They initially undertook their work with a little bit of empirical study, but mostly relying on Freudian psychology. And they did conclude that there is clearly an authoritarian personality. They issued their report in a book by Adorno and others that was called “The Authoritarian Personality”.

This research has really never been totally refuted. But other social scientists were critical of it because of its Freudian basis. So they quickly began studying to see if this personality type held up based on pure empirical study, by which I mean anonymously asking people questions that would reveal their personality types, their attitudes, their dispositions, and what have you. The work on authoritarian followers showed a personality that is easily submissive to authority, be it political, religious or even parental. They submit quickly, and once they do, they become very aggressive in pushing that world view of that authority. They become submissive because they find great comfort psychologically in submitting. It helps them remove the ambiguities of life. And if they’re frightened by events, then this gives them a sense of security. And they’re typically very conventional in their lifestyle.

There are also, however, a lot of very negative traits which I’ve outlined in the book. They are very self-righteous. They are not self-critical. They have very little critical thinking about their own behavior. They are often nasty and mean-spirited. They are bullies. They are prejudiced. And the higher they test on these questionnaires and scales, the more conservative they are. You don’t find people on the left testing the same way. It’s very interesting. You cannot get even statistically significant numbers of people on the left that fall in this category of followers.
On the other side are the leaders. They are typically men whose desire in life is to dominate others and to be in charge. They are very aggressive when they do so. They are highly manipulative. They are also people who have absolutely no appreciation of equality of others. They see themselves as superior, and they are amoral in their thinking. They, too, have a host of other negative traits that are in many regards similar to the followers. It’s not a very pleasant personality type, but it is certainly there. And it has certainly been established scientifically and corroborated and confirmed, time and time again. And this is clearly the core of the conservative movement.”

John said...

"In post-World War II, a group of social scientists...relying on Freudian psychology..."

Names, please?

Frankfurt Schoolmen, I presume?

John said...

Right. On a pefunctory glance, I identified it as Frankfurt School stuff. On a second glance, that was confirmed wuith the name: Adorno.

Theodor Adorno. Left-Hegellian Marxist extraordinaire. Kool Aid mixer.

As I said earlier:

"For them, *real* philosophy begins not in Golden Age Athens but in a 19th century London flat with Marx and is elaborated by Sartre, Fannon, and de Beavoir, Lukacs and Gramsci, and reached full bloom in the Frankfurt school in the 20th."

Frankie's a commie (which more than explains why he's such a hateful asshole).

Anonymous said...

Man, that pegs the trog mentality as well as I've ever seen...ugly,ugly defective creatures. So, we're supposed to worry about the authors political positions? ...duh, like that changes these insights? Hardly...as usual, they get cause and fx mixed up...understanding these backward, "conservative (nazi)filth would have made many people go Marxist...now, we understand that Marxism is as bad as unregulated capitalism, but that experience was not available then. Now, we can see that the ideologues on either side are naive fools.

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John said...

^typos^, excuse me.

Anyway, Swiftie spewed:

"Man, that pegs the trog mentality as well as I've ever seen...ugly,ugly defective creatures."

Projection.

"So, we're supposed to worry about the authors political positions?..."

I dunno. Ever read Burke? Buckley?Anne Coulter?

"duh, like that changes these insights?"

Ah! So you admit it!

SWIFTIE'S A COMMIE, TOO!

"Hardly...as usual, they get cause and fx mixed up..."

Actually, that was Adorno. He uses Freud (and Marx and Darwin, all three forming your very own Holy Trinity) to explain why the masses allow themselves to be incorporated into one mass consciousness by the corporate powers of capitalists.

For example, the Powers That Be (e.g. male W.A.S.P.s) use Ideological State Apparatuses (ISAs, like the opiates Church and, what the hell, Foxnews) to keep everyone thinking that a wife and kids, a house with a white picket fence in the burbs, Republican registration, patriotism, the celebration of Christmas, and shopping, shopping, shopping is a good thing.

However, Adorno and his fellow Frankfurters whine that all of that creates surplus repression and prevents everyone from getting laid whenever they want to whomever they want, for starters, as Nature (if not satan) intended.

That was very important to Adorno & Co. because lefty men are more often than not butt-ugly, and it would help their prospects--and Darwinian success-- if traditional--and natural--conceptions of beauty (as role-modeled by the ISAs) were overturned.

If you take a look around, that's met with some success, if the coupling of sniveling, obnoxious, aesthetically-challenged liberal men with hot liberal women is any indication.

(I think you know who I'm talking about).

So, anyhow, ISAs that influenced that kind of "mass consciousness" were no-nos, and had to be destroyed, but indirectly and insidiously, so no one would know what they were *really* up to.

"duh, like that changes these insights."

Uh, duh, big time.

They inverted cause and effect. The ISAs were the product--not the cause--of "mass consciousness."

They got it backward.

"understanding these backward..."

*sigh*

"conservative (nazi)filth..."

That's an oxymoron, moron. The official name of the Nazi party was National Socialist German Workers’ Party.

They were lefties, fool.

So was uber-fascist Mussolini.

"...would have made many people go Marxist..."

Excuses, excuses.

"now, we understand that Marxism is as bad as unregulated capitalism..."

It's about time you figured it out. Behind the curve a bit, I'd say. But don't tell your guru Adorno that.

Abnd that's a clever euphemism for socialism ya got up your sleeve there, Swiftie: Regulated capitalism.

"but that experience was not available then."

You mean lefties can't blame themselves for towing the Marxist party line all the way until the Berlin Wall came down and the Soviet Union dissolved as a failed ideology?

Conservatives knew it was a bad ideology when the Biolsheviks murdered he political opposition (after trying them in kangaroo courts, at best).

"Now, we can see that the ideologues on either side are naive fools."

Ooo! You're jutht thuch a thentritht, Thwiftie!

Anonymous said...

You mean lefties can't blame themselves for towing the Marxist party line all the way until the Berlin Wall came down and the Soviet Union dissolved as a failed ideology?


The only lefties this moron can debate are the imaginary ones in his tiny head. As usual they don't exist anywhere else except in small peabrain circle jerk societies which are the mirror image of the ones John belongs to. Which again is why you don't debate fools and children. They are UNEDUCABLE...is that a word?...duh, uh, I gisso. Any moron who doesn't know that unregulated capitalism failed long before communism did, is such a mindless robot that he needs to be put outside to play with the puppies...where the little mutts can speak to each other in infantile yappings like this: "Ooo! You're jutht thuch a thentritht, Thwiftie.'"

Pretty obvious the little trolls need to be taught that they can't have any attention til they learn to mimic adult conversation. Their candidate, McCain, has been talking like one on climate change and they're just soooo confused...It must be tough to toe a party/corporate line like a good little flunky and then have your programmers pull the rug out from under you like that.

Anonymous said...

Chuck Hagel is quickly becoming Barack Obama's answer to Joe Lieberman.

The Republican Senator from Nebraska was a political thorn in McCain's side on Tuesday night, repeatedly lavishing praise on the presumptive Democratic candidate and levying major foreign policy criticisms at the GOP nominee and the Republican Party as a whole. At one point, Hagel even urged the Arizona Republican to elevate his campaign discourse to a higher, more honest level.

"We know from past campaigns that presidential candidates will say many things," Hagel said of some of McCain's recent rhetoric, namely his policy on talking to Iran. "But once they have the responsibility to govern the country and lead the world, that difference between what they said and what responsibilities they have to fulfill are vastly different. I'm very upset with John with some of the things he's been saying. And I can't get into the psychoanalysis of it. But I believe that John is smarter than some of the things he is saying. He is, he understands it more. John is a man who reads a lot, he's been around the world. I want him to get above that and maybe when he gets into the general election, and becomes the general election candidate he will have a higher-level discourse on these things."

Hagel, speaking to a small gathering at the residence of the Italian ambassador, took umbrage with several positions taken by the McCain campaign, including the Arizona Senator's criticism of Obama for pledging to engage with Iran. Engagement is not, and should not be confused for, capitulation, he argued.

"I never understand how anyone in any realm of civilized discourse could sort through the big issues and challenges and threats and figure out how to deal with those without engaging in some way...."

Hagel then offered a wry tweak of his GOP colleague. "I am confident that if Obama is elected president that is the approach we will take. And my friend John McCain said some other things about that. We'll see, but in my opinion it has to be done. It is essential."

And when asked to respond to rumors circulating within political circles that the Bush administration was ginning up the possibility of war with Iran, the Senator even raised the specter of impeachment.

"You've got the power of impeachment, now that is a very defined measure if you are willing to bring charges against the president at all. You can't just say I disagree with him, let's impeach him," said Hagel. An attack on Iran without Congress' consent, he added, "would bring with it... outstanding political consequences, including for the Republican Party."

Finally, he charged that if the preeminent foreign policy objective is to achieve security in Israel and stability within the broader Middle East, then the Bush track -- which McCain has endorsed -- is ill-advised.

"If you engage a world power or a rival, it doesn't mean you agree with them or subscribe with what they believe or you support them in any way," he said. "What it does tell you is that you've got a problem you need to resolve. And you've got to understand the other side and the other side has got to understand you."

Much of Hagel's address, hosted by the Ploughshares Fund, was spent weaving between Obama praise and McCain quips. He urged the media, for example, to focus on important policy issues an "not just why Barack [doesn't] wear flag pins on his lapel."

Asked whether he would be open to serving as Secretary of Defense in a hypothetical Obama administration, Hagel demurred. But in the process, he praised the Illinois Democrat for being open to a bipartisan cabinet.

"Take me out of the equation," he said, "I do think that the next president and Obama has talked about this, and McCain not as much, I think he is going to have to put together a very wide, smart, experienced, credible, bipartisan cabinet. And that is going to be required absolutely."

Anonymous said...

Wow, fats seems to have transformed into a cat and is doing his best to bury his own turds under so much shredded newspaper.... random articles... and insults to his betters

Any acknowledgement of error?

Nope. Seems he has NO intellectual integrity after all...

Surprised? I'm not.

Anonymous said...

Wow, fats seems to have transformed into a cat...

Uh, gee, whussa stragedary here, guys? ...one dumb guy says some dumb guy stuff, another one comes along and tells the first one he's a genius, then another one comes along and says, wow what a spanking...that is so deeeeep.

You're right, fat guy, no more crumbs for the trolls til they beg politely.

Anonymous said...

So all that talk of intellectual integrity was only for the "other" guy.

Yep, it's back to troll spankings.

Anonymous said...

Zogby: Obama Leads McCain by Double Digits (This was the NewsMax Headline...wingos think 8 is double digits.)

Wednesday, May 21, 2008 8:19 AM

Democrat Barack Obama has opened an 8-point national lead on Republican John McCain as the U.S. presidential rivals turn their focus to a general election race, according to a Reuters/Zogby poll released on Wednesday.


Obama, who was tied with McCain in a hypothetical head-to-head matchup last month, moved to a 48 percent to 40 percent lead over the Arizona senator in May as he took command of his grueling Democratic presidential duel with rival Hillary Clinton.


The Illinois senator has not yet secured the Democratic presidential nomination to run against McCain in November.


The poll also found Obama expanded his lead over Clinton in the Democratic race to 26 percentage points, doubling his advantage from mid-April as Democrats begin to coalesce around Obama and prepare for the general election battle with McCain.


"Obama has been very resilient, bouncing back from rough periods and doing very well with independent voters," pollster John Zogby said. "The race with McCain is going to be very competitive."


The poll was taken Thursday through Sunday during a period when Obama came under attack from President George W. Bush and McCain for his promise to talk to hostile foreign leaders without preconditions.


Obama's gains followed a month in which he was plagued with a series of campaign controversies and suffered two big losses to Clinton in Pennsylvania and West Virginia.


The poll was conducted after Obama denounced his former pastor, the Rev. Jeremiah Wright, who made a series of public appearances that rekindled a controversy over his inflammatory comments on race and religion.


Obama also survived a furor over his comments about "bitter" small-town residents who cling to guns and religion out of frustration over their economic concerns.


Obama edged closer to clinching the Democratic nomination on Tuesday when he split two nominating contests with Clinton, beating the New York senator in Oregon and losing in Kentucky to gain a majority of pledged delegates won in state-by-state nominating contests.


The results put him within easy range of the 2,026 delegates needed for the nomination. Just three Democratic nominating contests remain before voting concludes on June 3.


OBAMA BETTER ON ECONOMY


The poll found Obama was seen as a better steward of the economy than McCain, leading 48 percent to 39 percent. McCain led Obama by 3 points last month on an issue that is certain to be crucial in their campaign.


Obama led McCain among independents, 47 percent to 35 percent, and led among some groups of voters who have backed Clinton during their Democratic primary battle, including Catholics, Jews, union households and voters making less than $35,000 a year.


McCain led among whites, NASCAR fans, and elderly voters. McCain led with voters who believed the United States was on the right track, and Obama led with the much higher percentage of voters who believed it was on the wrong track.


"Clearly voters are looking for change. Every problem Obama has had in consolidating his base and reaching to the center, John McCain has the same sort of problem," Zogby said.


"It's McCain's lead among voters over the age of 65 that is keeping him within shouting distance of Obama," he said.


The poll found Clinton, who has shrugged off calls to quit the Democratic race, tied at 43 percent with McCain in the national poll. She led McCain by 47 percent to 40 percent on who would be the better manager of the economy.


Obama and Clinton have refrained from attacking each other in recent weeks as Obama has turned his focus to McCain.


But Zogby said the attacks on Obama by Bush and McCain, who have been critical of his willingness to talk to leaders of countries like Iran, did not appear to hurt Obama. If anything, he said, it reminded voters of McCain's ties to Bush, whose approval rating is still mired at record lows.


"The president is so unpopular. To inject himself into a presidential campaign does not help John McCain, particularly when McCain is tied to Bush," Zogby said.


Anonymous said...

I think I know what happened, Lana; they abandoned him when he told them the truth about climate change. I don't know what Bob Barr's stance on that is -- probably very narrow -- but I suspect he'll try to pick up the deniers.

Anonymous said...

PARKING LOTS FOR THE HOMELESS

CNN: here are 12 parking lots across Santa Barbara that have been set up to accommodate the growing middle-class homelessness. These lots are believed to be part of the first program of its kind in the United States, according to organizers.
The lots open at 7 p.m. and close at 7 a.m. and are run by New Beginnings Counseling Center, a homeless outreach organization.

Sad… and scary.

Anonymous said...

You may be right, B...anyway, this might be shaping up to be the worst landslide since LBJ spanked...where did I hear that word?...Goldwater. Obama's been having a tough time and still...this! Amazing.

John said...

Give it up, goils (and that includes you, fats). Game's over. Get used to the idea of McPresident.

John said...

"CNN: here are 12 parking lots across Santa Barbara that have been set up to accommodate the growing middle-class homelessness..."

Where's Mitch Snyder?

Oh, right, he killed himself after it was discovered that he inflated the homeless numbers by, like, 1000% to make the boon time Reagan/Bush 41 era look bad.

"These lots are believed to be part of the first program of its kind in the United States, according to organizers."

...Who prefer setting up shop in Santa Barbara than New Orleans, for obvious reasons.

"The lots open at 7 p.m. and close at 7 a.m. and are run by New Beginnings Counseling Center, a homeless outreach organization."

I wonder if they hand out Democrat registration cards.

Just wondering.

"Sad… and scary."

Sad that they accepted subprime loans from unscrupulous lenders for homes they couldn't afford in the hopes of flipping and turning a profit and/or playing big shots?

96% of homeowners are paying their mortgages. On time.

And I do believe there are still the largest amount of homeowners today than ever before.

What's "scary?" That a person can be living in heavily mortgaged home that he/she couldn't affrd one day, and find themselves slumming in a parking lot the next?

I'm just surprised that with all the rich liberals who live in Santa Barbara, the best they can provide for the homeless is a parking lot.

Actually, no, on second thought.

That's not surprising at all.

Lana patronized:

"You may be right, B..."

And maybe not.

"...anyway, this might be shaping up to be the worst landslide since LBJ spanked...where did I hear that word?..."

Right here. Yesterday. When Alice spanked you silly.

"...Goldwater."

The proper locus classicus for landslides are Reagan's over Carter in 1980 and over Mondale in '84.

LBJ had 486 electoral votes to Goldwater's 52.

cf. Reagan's 489 to Carter's 49, and Reagan's 525 to Mondale's 13.

You must have slept through them to skip over them and reference an inferior exemplar.

Unless, of course, you're blindly partisan.

"Obama's been having a tough time and still...this! Amazing."

It's called "Life." Get used to it (I suggest you get one, first).

Anonymous said...

Barry, Barry, Barry....

“Over the last 15 months, we’ve traveled to every corner of the United States. I’ve now been in 57 states? I think one left to go.”

Last week, in front of a roaring Sioux Falls, S.D., audience, Obama exulted: “Thank you, Sioux City. ... I said it wrong. I’ve been in Iowa for too long. I’m sorry.”

Explaining last week why he was trailing Hillary Clinton in Kentucky, Obama again botched basic geography: “Sen. Clinton, I think, is much better known, coming from a nearby state of Arkansas. So it’s not surprising that she would have an advantage in some of those states in the middle.” On what map is Arkansas closer to Kentucky than Illinois?

Obama has as much trouble with numbers as he has with maps. Last March, on the anniversary of the Bloody Sunday march in Selma, Ala., he claimed his parents united as a direct result of the civil rights movement: “There was something stirring across the country because of what happened in Selma, Ala., because some folks are willing to march across a bridge. So they got together and Barack Obama Jr. was born.”

Obama was born in 1961. The Selma march took place in 1965. His spokesman, Bill Burton, later explained that Obama was “speaking metaphorically about the civil-rights movement as a whole.”

Earlier this month in Cape Girardeau, Mo., Obama showed off his knowledge of the war in Afghanistan by homing in on a lack of translators: “We only have a certain number of them, and if they are all in Iraq, then it’s harder for us to use them in Afghanistan.” The real reason it’s “harder for us to use them” in Afghanistan: Iraqis speak Arabic or Kurdish. The Afghanis speak Pashto, Farsi, or other non-Arabic languages.

John said...

He's a mannequin and a lightweight.

Great speeches, though.

And, of course, he's black. Kind of.

...Which is the point of this post but that after OVER 300 COMMENTS and two reminders, has not been addressed ONCE.

Anonymous said...

Retired U.S. Air Force Col. Bud Day, left, who was a prisoner of war in Vietnam with Republican presidential hopeful, Sen. John McCain, R-Ariz., right, talk during a campaign rally

When it comes to choosing a president, the American people want to know more about a candidate than policy positions. They want to know about character, the values ingrained in his heart. For Mr. McCain, that means they will want to know more about him personally than he has been willing to reveal.

Mr. Day relayed to me one of the stories Americans should hear. It involves what happened to him after escaping from a North Vietnamese prison during the war. When he was recaptured, a Vietnamese captor broke his arm and said, “I told you I would make you a cripple.”

The break was designed to shatter Mr. Day’s will. He had survived in prison on the hope that one day he would return to the United States and be able to fly again. To kill that hope, the Vietnamese left part of a bone sticking out of his arm, and put him in a misshapen cast. This was done so that the arm would heal at “a goofy angle,” as Mr. Day explained. Had it done so, he never would have flown again.

But it didn’t heal that way because of John McCain. Risking severe punishment, Messrs. McCain and Day collected pieces of bamboo in the prison courtyard to use as a splint. Mr. McCain put Mr. Day on the floor of their cell and, using his foot, jerked the broken bone into place. Then, using strips from the bandage on his own wounded leg and the bamboo, he put Mr. Day’s splint in place.

Years later, Air Force surgeons examined Mr. Day and complimented the treatment he’d gotten from his captors. Mr. Day corrected them. It was Dr. McCain who deserved the credit. Mr. Day went on to fly again.

Anonymous said...

In 1991 Cindy McCain was visiting Mother Teresa’s orphanage in Bangladesh when a dying infant was thrust into her hands. The orphanage could not provide the medical care needed to save her life, so Mrs. McCain brought the child home to America with her. She was met at the airport by her husband, who asked what all this was about.

Mrs. McCain replied that the child desperately needed surgery and years of rehabilitation. “I hope she can stay with us,” she told her husband. Mr. McCain agreed. Today that child is their teenage daughter Bridget.

I was aware of this story. What I did not know, and what I learned from Doris, is that there was a second infant Mrs. McCain brought back. She ended up being adopted by a young McCain aide and his wife.

“We were called at midnight by Cindy,” Wes Gullett remembers, and “five days later we met our new daughter Nicki at the L.A. airport wearing the only clothing Cindy could find on the trip back, a 7-Up T-shirt she bought in the Bangkok airport.” Today, Nicki is a high school sophomore. Mr. Gullett told me, “I never saw a hospital bill” for her care.

A few, but not many, of the stories told to me by the Days have been written about, such as in Robert Timberg’s 1996 book “A Nightingale’s Song.” But Mr. McCain rarely refers to them on the campaign trail. There is something admirable in his reticence, but he needs to overcome it.

Private people like Mr. McCain are rare in politics for a reason. Candidates who are uncomfortable sharing their interior lives limit their appeal. But if Mr. McCain is to win the election this fall, he has to open up.

Americans need to know about his vision for the nation’s future, especially his policy positions and domestic reforms. They also need to learn about the moments in his life that shaped him. Mr. McCain cannot make this a biography-only campaign “but he can’t afford to make it a biography-free campaign either. Unless he opens up more, many voters will never know the experiences of his life that show his character, integrity and essential decency.”

These qualities mattered in America’s first president and will matter as Americans decide on their 44th president.

Anonymous said...

Dan Kurt said...
Getting back to the fitness of McCain to be President of the USA:

From <://dickmcdonald.blogspot.com/>
who reprinted this from To The Point.

Saturday, February 02, 2008

How the Clinton's Will Destroy McCain

Jack Wheeler

The number of fellow Senators who think John McCain is psychologically unstable is large. Some will admit it publicly, like Thad Cochran who says, "The thought of his being president sends a cold chill down my spine."

Others relate times when McCain screamed four-letter obscenities right in their faces in the Senate cloak room, like Dick Shelby, Rick Santorum, or Jim Inhofe. "The man is unhinged," one Senator told me. "He is frighteningly unfit to be Commander-in-Chief."

That John McCain is clinically nuts is scary enough. What worries a small group of GOP Senators and Congressmen even more is a deep and dark skeletal secret in McCain's glorified past to which they are privy, and which the Clintons will use to blackmail him.

They have been having discussions with a Russian whom we'll call "T" for Translator. T's father was the Soviet military intelligence officer who ran the "Hanoi Hilton" prison holding captured Americans during the Vietnam War. One of those prisoners was John McCain.

The GRU -- Glavnoje Razvedyvatel'noje Upravlenije or Main Intelligence Directorate of the Soviet (now Russian) Armed Forces - operated the entire North Vietnamese prison system holding American prisoners of war. GRU officers, all of whom were Russians, oversaw the interrogation of every American POW.

The interrogations themselves were conducted by Vietnamese who spoke some English. After each interrogation session, which could often include torturing the prisoners at the direction of the GRU officers, the Vietnamese interrogator would write a report of the session - in Vietnamese.

These reports had to be translated into Russian. T, a bright teenager living in the GRU compound in Hanoi, had become fluent in Vietnamese, and ended up translating many of the reports and interrogators' notes.

John McCain, flying his A-4 Skyhawk, was shot down over Hanoi on October 26, 1967. Badly injured from the ejection, he was beaten and abused by his captors. In July, 1968, his father, US Navy Admiral J. S. McCain, was made CINCPAC, Commander-in-Chief, Pacific Command, commander of all US military forces in the Vietnam theatre. Upon learning this, the Vietnamese offered - according to McCain - to release him.

McCain claims he refused, because he demanded all American POWs captured before him be released as well. He thus remained a prisoner when he could have gone home, and was subjected to constant brutal beatings and torture for years: that is the source of the "war-hero" saga making McCain a greater war-hero than any other American POW.

Yet the offer of release would had to have been approved by the GRU overseers of the North Vietnamese - and T does not recall any such offer being made. T admits, however, that this took place before McCain was transferred to Hoa Loa prison, nicknamed the "Hanoi Hilton" by the POWs. T had only direct knowledge of what happened at Hoa Loa, and not the other prisons, where T's father was in charge.

McCain was kept at the Hanoi Hilton from December 1969 until his release, along with all the remaining POWs, in March of 1973. During this time, T translated all the Vietnamese interrogators' notes and reports regarding John McCain.

According to T, they reveal that McCain had made an "accommodation" with his captors, and in exchange, T's father saw that he was provided with an apartment in Hanoi and the services of two prostitutes. Upon returning to his prison cell, he would say he had been held in solitary confinement. That may be why so many of his fellow prisoners said later they saw so little of him at Hoa Loa.

The notes and reports written in Vietnamese were sent to Moscow, where T was a now a college student, for T's translation into Russian, then placed into GRU archives. That's where they stayed until 1991. Late that year, as the Soviet Union was collapsing, the CIA and the GRU made a deal for a document swap.

All of what it involved, T doesn't know. What T's father, by now retired but still with substantial contacts within the GRU, did learn (and thus T learned) was that the swap included all of T's translations.

In other words, the CIA has in its possession the notes and reports of John McCain's interrogators at the Hanoi Hilton, in both the original Vietnamese and translated Russian, showing collaboration with his Communist captors.

Allegations of this nature have been made over the years, many by Vietnam veterans. There is an even an organization, Vietnam Veterans Against McCain. But they are based on suspicions and circumstantial claims. There has never been any hard direct evidence.

What T says the CIA has is such evidence. Its release would destroy McCain. The threat of its release could force McCain to take a fall, blow the election and lose on purpose. And just who do you suppose would know what the CIA has and work with them to release it?

Someone who has been a CIA asset since he was recruited by London station chief Cord Meyer while a student at Oxford in 1968?

(Back in the 90s years after he retired, if Cord drank a little too much Scotch, he would laugh derisively at those conspiratorialists who accused Bill Clinton of being connected with the KGB.

"They all darkly point to Bill's participation in anti-war peace conferences in Stockholm and Oslo, and his trip to Leningrad, Moscow, and Prague while he was at Oxford. Who could have paid for this?', they ask. It had to be the KGB!' they claim." Cord would shake his head. "What rot - we paid for it. We recruited Bill the first week he was at Oxford. Bill's been an asset of The Three Bad Words ever since." Cord passed on in 2001.)

The small group of Senators and Congressmen who have been briefed by T have been unable to confirm with the CIA any details of its document swap with the GRU beyond an admission that such a swap "may have happened." They are very nervous about pursuing the matter any further.

The Clintons are not nervous. They are utterly ruthless, and have buddies at Langley all too happy to help them.

It has been noted many times here in To The Point that while most folks think the CIA is a right-wing outfit, it is not. The CIA has been dominated by left-wing hyper-liberals for years.

The CIA is a left-wing, liberal outfit, and its main job for some time now is not attacking America's enemies but conservatives in general and George W. Bush in particular. The story is best told by friend, Ken Timmerman in his new book Shadow Warriors.

When the time is right, the Clintons will see to the leaking of the GRU archives on McCain to the media. Bet on it, just as you can bet they'll follow it up with media disclosures of the lady lobbyists in Washington having adulterous affairs with McCain. (There are at least three of them; I know the name of one but I'm not going to put it in writing.)

Maybe McCain will try to fight back by confirming Hillary's well-known bisexuality and her lesbian affair with her beautiful assistant, Huma Abedin. Google "Hillary" and "Huma Abedin" and you'll get almost 6,000 hits. Turns out Huma is a Moslem who grew up in Saudi Arabia and is strongly suspected of working for Saudi intelligence.

Or maybe he'll capitulate to Clinton blackmail. You never can tell what a psychologically unstable guy will do.

And that last point is why - be prepared for this, folks - I would not in any circumstances vote for John McCain, not if either Hillary or Obama were the alternative. Evil is safer than crazy. Leftie amateur inexperience is safer than crazy. So I agree with Ann Coulter who says:

"I'd rather deal with President Hillary than with President McCain. With Hillary, we'll get the same ruinous liberal policies with none of the responsibility."

How in the world can the Republican Party get saddled with a nutcase whack-job who knows nothing about economics, is so anti-capitalist he uses "profit" as a term of derision, has never run a business or had any job outside of government, will raise taxes, is so stupid that he believes "stopping global warming" is worth destroying the American economy, won't drill ANWR, won't appoint strict constructionist justices, won't protect marriage, will give amnesty to 20 million illegal aliens, is beloved by the New York Times, and lives in a delusionary world of vanity and rage?

Rush is right. A McCain presidency will be the destruction of the Republican Party. It needs to be rebuilt, not wiped out with the field clear for the fascists of the left to consolidate power and eliminate freedom.

Anonymous said...

Course everyone needs to see this movie...

Anonymous said...

After all, there can only be one!

Anonymous said...

Okay, maybe two...

Anonymous said...

Wow...those make O look very exciting; I think they'll help him with the kids, and everyone else will laugh them off...like I did...so many actors in there, they'll just be dismissed as fiction. These, however, just make John McCrazy look like the goofy old sack of shit he is:

http://therealmccain.com/videos.php

John said...
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John said...

Fatsy the patsy surrendered:

"Pretty obvious the little trolls need to be taught that they can't have any attention til they learn to mimic adult conversation."

In other words:

"I don't wanna play anymore! Waaaaah!!!"

Blossom followed:

"You're right, fat guy, no more crumbs for the trolls til they beg politely."

In other words:

"Wait for me! I ran out of things to say, anyway!"

Mr. Sayet: Mission accomplished.

Anonymous said...

You are not American
You are the enemy America defeated, when Congress ended the war in Viet Nam.
You are not American
You are the enemy America defeated when they saw through McCarthyism, in the 50s
You are not American
You are the enemy America defeated with Nixon's resignation in August, 1974
You are not American,
you are the enemy America defeated when it convicted Oliver North of financing the murder of tens of thousands, by selling arms to our enemies, and importing drugs to be sold on the streets of our cities.
You are not American
when you condone lowering America to the level of our enemies,using torture, using violation of our constitution, using criminal activity, in the name of America
You are not American,
but you hijacked the banner of the conservative party, to hide behind, to cover up your criminal activites
You are not American,
but you wrap yourselves in the American flag, while you advocate the destruction of America...
God Bless America
God Damn you.

Anonymous said...

You are American
You are the enemy America victorious, when SDSers and Winter soldiers ended the war in Viet Nam.
You are American
You are the enemy America victorious Reagan they saw through Labor and Hollywood, in the 50s
You are American
You are the enemy America victorious with Clinton's impeachment trial in December, 1998
You are American,
you are the enemy America victorious when it discovered Ted Kennedy's letters to the USSR, undermining American foreign policy and collaborating against Reagan and the elected administration.
You are American
when you condone surrendering America to our enemies, using lies and deceptions, using civil disobedience, using criminal activity, in the name of America
You are American,
but you hijacked the banner of the democratic party, to hide behind, to cover up your criminal activities
You are American,
but you wrap yourselves in yellow ribbons for the troops, while you advocate the destruction of America...
God Bless America. You are FREE to remain a fool, after all, you ARE an American.

DMSlaughter said...

I don't even know where to begin with this. My mind is reeling from the sheer level of vitriol, Evan, that you spew in this post. I apologize for the long winded message, but it's been building in me for awhile, hearing all of this bullcrap from others in my life.

First, I find your post to be intellectually insincere because you begin with the premise that everything Barack Obama has done from practically childhood to the present was formulated in a cynical, manipulative, egocentric fashion. This post's glaring flaw (although I believe that many on here don't see it that way because they desperately want to see it through the same cynical prism that you do, Mr. Sayet) is that you presuppose Obama to be utterly disingenuous in his rhetoric. You simply have no proof of this. For what it's worth (and I'm sure it's not worth much on such a frightening, close-minded website) I do believe that Obama wants to heal a racial divide in this country. I do believe that he wants to effect a change in Washington D.C.'s current slimy culture. And from my vantage point, while I'm not fully convinced he'll be able to pull all of this off, he's our best shot at the moment.

With that out of the way, let me begin on several factual inaccuracies in this post. First, you assert that Ayers and his misguided ilk murdered Americans. This is simply not true. While their bombing of American symbols of empire and status quo were horrendous, not once did those bombings kill anyone. The only deaths that resulted were from a bomb that accidentally went off in NYC--by some careless Weathermen making said bombs. In other words, while the Weathermen were indeed terrorists, they never intentionally set out to kill Americans. And as an equally important aside, you completely twist his words post-Sept. 11th: he did not say that the terrorists didn't kill enough Americans. He said that the Weathermen had not bombed enough targets. While I certainly don't agree with that statement either, it is obviously a HUGE difference, and you should be ashamed for that libelous comment.

Secondly, I would like to see the evidence that Constitutional scholar Barack Obama benefited from affirmative action. Your prejudice slips through when you assert that because he's African American that he automatically benefited from affirmative action. That colors you in latently-racist overtones Evan and I don't think you want that on your resume. Or maybe you do, as it might get you more invites to the Heritage Foundation and photo ops with Ann Coulter. I don't know.

And the last of the inaccuracies, but certainly not the least, was that the Wright controversy was costing him primaries. That is simply not true. In fact, polls indicate that a majority of Americans simply didn't feel that this was a major issue. And why? Perhaps because a majority of Americans hear things from their religious leaders they don't always agree with--far fewer Americans would get up and storm out, never to return, and that's because there are things that their religious leaders say that they DO agree with, which is probably the case with Obama. Now of course, in places like West Virginia and Western PA this probably was an issue, but then again so was his middle name--Hussein, as you continually slip into your posts--so then the senseless meme that he's both an American hating Christian as well as a covert Muslim terrorist comes into play, which just shows how immature and pointless that argument really is. I'd also like to add that BECAUSE five minutes of that hateful sermon was leaked, which then became representative of a decades-long career at the pulpit, Obama I feel had a RESPONSIBILITY to address race, if for no other reason to address the outcry that the controversy created in the first place. In that Philadelphia speech, he spoke about the disenfranchisement of working class white males, a very real issue. But again, that is seen only as cynical political posturing by you Evan; if he had not addressed the issue, you would have accused him of avoiding the issue for political expediency.

So it's fairly clear to me that you just enjoy using Barack Obama, the next President of the United States, as a metaphorical pinata on which you project your small-minded, fearful world-view onto. And I think that's sad because, while some I know would smack me for saying this, you do have articulate moments, and how beautiful it would be if you used those moments for not fostering more cynicism in the world and instead spoke of hope and the potential for change, two things that Obama stands for, and that millions of Americans await as I write this. Or at the very least, use that brain of yours to figure out how you're going to get your horribly disfigured, sidetracked Republican party back on the rails, as three stunning Congressional losses shows that your once proud party of fiscal responsibility and personal privacy has become a party of obscene spending on massive beauracracy and invasive violation of personal liberties.

Anonymous said...

...is that you presuppose Obama to be utterly disingenuous in his rhetoric.

HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA!!!!!!

Can you say Tony Rezko?

I do believe that Obama wants to heal a racial divide in this country. Can you Jermiah Wright? Can you say MICHELLE Obama?

While I certainly don't agree with that statement either, it is obviously a HUGE difference, and you should be ashamed for that libelous comment. Right... and setting off more bombs wouldn't have hurt anybody... and libel is so SO MUCH MORE heinous and HUGER a crime than terrorism...

blah blah blah ...anyone who criticizes Barrack is a racist. *spit*

Another pathetic left wing troll joins the fray...

Anonymous said...

Why we're seeing all those goopy McCain is such a nice guy stories:

A flood of recent polls suggests the 2008 election will once again display the “Iron Law” of 21st century Republican presidential politics. That is, with Americans showing an overwhelming preference for Democratic positions across virtually the entire spectrum of issues, the GOP has to make the race about something else. This year as in 2000 and 2004, the Republicans will try to turn the race into a presidential personality contest. And to win it, they need to manufacture a “character gap” between John McCain and Barack Obama.

Two surveys in the past week show the Republicans’ dilemma. First, a new Rasmussen poll revealed that voters trust Democrats more than Republicans on each and every one of the 10 issues measured. Democrats enjoy double-digit advantages on the economy (50%-36%), government ethics (45%-26%), health care (54%-33%), Social Security (49%-36%), education (50%-35%), Iraq (50%-39%) and immigration (45%-35%). The GOP lags by smaller margins on national security, taxes and abortion.

Meanwhile, an ABC News/Washington Post poll similarly reflects the devastating impact for the GOP of Americans’ record-setting disapproval for President Bush and the direction of the country…With 82% of respondents now believing the U.S. has gone off the rails, Democrats have built a massive 21 point cushion (53%-32%) as the party Americans trust to “do a better job in coping with the main problems the nation faces over the next few years.”

Those lopsided results are consistent with an April poll from Rasmussen which found that “election 2008 is creating record numbers of Democrats.” The results showed a 10-point Democratic advantage in party identification (41.4% to 31.4%), almost double the margin one year earlier. That delta is unprecedented.

Anonymous said...

There's only one poll that counts troll, and that's on the Tuesday following the first Monday in November. I so look forward to hearing you cry...

Anonymous said...

61.1% LBJ over 38.5% Goldwater
60.8% FDR over 36.5% Landon
60.7% Nixon over 37.5% McGovern
60.3% Harding over 34.1% Cox
58.8% Reagan over 40.6% Mondale
58.2% Hoover over 40.8% Smith
57.40% FDR over 39.7% Hoover
57.36% Eisenhower over 42.0% Stevenson
56.4% T Roosevelt over 37.6% Parker
56.0% Jackson over 43.6% Q. Adams
55.6% Grant over 43.8% Greeley
55.2% Eisenhower over 44.3% Stevenson
55.0% Lincoln over 45.0% McClellan
54.7% FDR over 44.8% Wilkie
54.2% Jackson over 37.4% Clay
54.0% Coolidge over 28.8% Davis
53.38% FDR over Dewey 45.9% Dewey
53.37% Bush I over 45.6% Dukakis
52.9% WH Harrison over 46.8% Van Buren
52.7% Grant over 47.3% Seymour
51.64% McKinley over 45.5% Bryan
51.57% Taft over 43.0% Bryan
51.0% McKinley over 46.7% Bryan
50.84% Pierce over 43.9% Scott
50.82% Van Buren over 36.6% WH Harrison

Anonymous said...

Evan is a boil on the ass of society said...
The anti-science right (which, if you went by the commenters on this blog, is all of them, although I know that's not the case) likes to conflate evolution of species by the means of natural selection (Darwin's breakthrough, and a scientific theory that is backed by reams and reams of evidence) with the origin of life on this planet, an event which exists mostly in the realm of conjecture. The Theory of Evolution doesn't purport to explain how life began on this planet, nor does it need to in order to be factually correct. Hopefully I didn't use too many big words for you anti-science types, but if I did I can break it down more simply.


Unfortunately, none of them understood what you said so explicitly: that evolution does not attempt to explain how life began (that is another discussion) but how it developed. Darwin's book is called The Origin of Species not The Origin of Life. In fact, evolution is compatible with a christian god as in catholicism catholics. Yes, evolution and christianity are compatible. So, now do you guys get it?

Anonymous said...

@dmslaughter: Your remarks are dead on. You pinned Sayet down and neatly dissected the frog, pardon the analogy and no offense to frogs. Nice blog you got there, too.

John said...

Suze asserted:

"Unfortunately, none of them understood what you said so explicitly: that evolution does not attempt to explain how life began (that is another discussion)."

Again, I said:

"Darwin’s model has a lot of holes and comes nowhere near explaining how life spontaneously comes out of nothing....(Darwin is actually pretty quiet about that)..."

And:

"The Theory of Evolution doesn't purport to explain how life began on this planet..."

Pay attention, suze, and get your facts straight before you make sweeping, definitive statements.

Anonymous said...

John said...
Again, I said:

"Darwin’s model has a lot of holes and comes nowhere near explaining how life spontaneously comes out of nothing....(Darwin is actually pretty quiet about that)..."


See, John, you wrote that when you didn't know that Darwin was "pretty quiet about that" when you were unaware that he was never speaking about "that." Then, you wrote the other thing to cya. You guys will never, ever, ever admit that you are wrong.
kthxbai

Anonymous said...

...notice how there's this new-left narrative developing of an "anti-science" right.

Mythology because we all know that the right OWNS the sciences in the universities and make all real human technological "advancements" (I'm loath to call it progress let the "progressives" try and lay claim for creating it... after all... truth is in "birth" not "name").

But leave it to the "Humanities" left to spin naught but 'noble' lies... and try to paint those who understand the limits of science and who fail to give it imaginary beyond-rational abilities to answer fundamental questions relative to the origin of the universe and life as "anti-science".

The philosophistry of the neoleftist-luddites about sums this new mythological narrative up.

Anonymous said...

...and suze, LOL!

Truth is in birth... and John "birthed" his comment LONG, LONG before you and fathead accepted ANY limits or gaps in the theory of evolution.

Nice try at declaring a false victory though.

Anonymous said...

Plato, "Theaetetus"

THEAETETUS: At any rate, Socrates, after such an exhortation I should be ashamed of not trying to do my best. Now he who knows perceives what he knows, and, as far as I can see at present, knowledge is perception.

SOCRATES: Bravely said, boy; that is the way in which you should express your opinion. And now, let us examine together this conception of yours, and see whether it is a true birth or a mere wind-egg:--You say that knowledge is perception?

THEAETETUS: Yes.

SOCRATES: Well, you have delivered yourself of a very important doctrine about knowledge; it is indeed the opinion of Protagoras, who has another way of expressing it. Man, he says, is the measure of all things, of the existence of things that are, and of the non-existence of things that are not:--You have read him?


Suze, you're all windage!

John said...

Suze "busted":

"See, John, you wrote that when you didn't know that Darwin was "pretty quiet about that..."

So I wrote "Darwin is actually pretty quiet about that" and "The Theory of Evolution doesn't purport to explain how life began on this planet" not only way before you repeated me by saying that "evolution does not attempt to explain how life began" but also before I "knew" that Darwin was "actually pretty quiet about that?"

Are you on drugs, Suze?

Anonymous said...

That girl's been 'busted' more times than Paris Hilton's hymen!

John said...

lol

Anonymous said...

Pastor Rod Parsley describes Islam as "anti-Christ" and Mohammed as "the mouthpiece of a conspiracy of spiritual evil." Of course, John McCain eagerly sought the endorsement of Parsley. Will the MSM step up and ask McCain to denounce Parsley or will they ignore it (again)?

Anonymous said...

Gee, oil just hit $135...that's going to help the economy. Time to get the adults back to clean up after the foolish children, AGAIN.
Think where we could be now if we'd listened to them DECADES ago and began to convert and to conserve. But, they hate innovation; they hate change; they just hate...period.

Anonymous said...

Nice post, Slaughter...but see the response you got...nada. Debating these twits consists of having them tell you what you just said in laughably twisted ways because they can't argue against what you REALLY said...then they want you to explain it again...very tiresome...then they make goofy claims revealing that they're ashamed to own to what they really are...nobody bothers with them anymore.

Anonymous said...

Think where we could be now if we'd listened to them DECADES ago and began to convert and to conserve.

Gee, maybe we should have listened to Jimmy Carter and hunkered down, limited each American housegold to a strict 100 watt/hr limit. I've got a feeling we could have reduced America's GDP by a couple of thousand percent by now...

...idiots!

Anonymous said...

Have no doubt about it, fudgepacker, whenever it's a tradeoff between economic growth vs ludditism, the one-issue-at-a-time anti-capitalist compartmentalized-brain Leftist will choose the luddite path every time.

Can anybody say... welcome back to the "Dark" Ages?

Anonymous said...

Nuclear power.... Bzzzzz. Killed by the Left. More refineries and drilling... Bzzzz. Killed by the Left. Coal-gassification... Bzzzz. Killed by the Left. Wind-power off the coast... Bzzzz. Killed by the Left. Liquified natural gas... Bzzzz. Killed by the Left.

Being green means never being satisfied with any power source that isn't immaculately clean.

And then they have the NERVE to say that we should have listened to THEM and developed "viable" alternative energy sources. What a JOKE!

Anonymous said...

That's right, Bloss, finally it's becoming evident to everyone that we could be in a booming economy now, with a large fraction of much cheaper energy and MUCH greater efficiency -- all of which would, of course, make oil a lot cheaper also. Be freed of our mideast entanlements and well on our way to a reduction of emissions and pollution, but, NOOOOOOOO, the GOPig freaks had to keep going down the disastrous road til we're forced to do all those things in disaster mode...that's why they're going to throw these filthy, destructive scum out in record numbers.

Anonymous said...

Weeeeell, it seems some of them don't see it that way, Fatguy...haha...fortunately, it's a very tiny number of very tiny people...and they all seem to be gathered right here in a defensive circle. Did you read that Dick Morris thing over on John's blog? Oh, and there's some guy actually debating them on climate change...that is soooooooooooo nineties.

Anonymous said...

Reporting for The International Herald Tribune, Graham Bowley and David Jolly write: "Worries that world oil demand will outstrip global supplies intensified on Thursday, sending ripples through the global economy as oil prices leaped above $135, a new record high."

Anonymous said...

John: That's all I said about Darwinism. I didn't say a peep about evolution.

Only an ignoramus could make that statement.

John said...

Suze quoted me:

"John: That's all I said about Darwinism. I didn't say a peep about evolution."

Suze concluded:

"Only an ignoramus could make that statement."

Suze, read carefully:

"Darwin’s model has a lot of holes and comes nowhere near explaining how life spontaneously comes out of nothing....(Darwin is actually pretty quiet about that)..."

That's talking about Darwinism, but not evolution.

Again, pay attention, suze, and get your facts straight before you make sweeping, definitive statements.

Anonymous said...

...and it has also now become evident that Iraq is COMPLETELY under control and that Harry Reid, Nancy Pelosi and the Democrats on the Hill were nothing but a bunch of PANICKED SURRENDER MONKEYS! Gee, violence in Iraq is now down to the lowest levels in four years... and falling.

You can't keep the good news blackout up forever, girls. And good luck 'splainin' all that CRAZY surrender talk to the voters in the Fall!

btw - Congrats to the new CENTCOM Commander and his replacement!

Anonymous said...

John said...
Suze quoted me:

"John: That's all I said about Darwinism. I didn't say a peep about evolution."

Suze concluded:

"Only an ignoramus could make that statement."

Suze, read carefully:

"Darwin’s model has a lot of holes and comes nowhere near explaining how life spontaneously comes out of nothing....(Darwin is actually pretty quiet about that)..."

That's talking about Darwinism, but not evolution.

Again, pay attention, suze, and get your facts straight before you make sweeping, definitive statements.


After all of this, you still don't get it. This conversation is over.

Anonymous said...

You knew McCains "spiritual" friends would trump Obama's before it was over...these boys are real freaks... This afternoon, John McCain announced that he was finally rejecting the support of right-wing pastor John Hagee1—a man who said Katrina was God's punishment for New Orleans, called the Catholic Church a "great whore" and preached that God caused the Holocaust because Jews weren't moving to Israel.2

Hagee's views are beyond the pale. But John McCain was still counting on his political support. Thousands of us took action to draw media attention to McCain's embrace of Hagee and other hatemongers.

Anonymous said...

After all of this, you still don't get it. This conversation is over.


They've developed a technique to use in lieu of their missing brains...they babble a lot of silly shit til you quit bothering with them.

Anonymous said...

TOM DELAY and TRMPAC
Sept. 29, 2005
L Rep. Tom DeLay, House Majority Leader was indicted for campaign finance fraud, criminal
conspiracy and two counts of money laundering. He was arrested and booked at Harris County
jail October 20, 2005. Since then he’s been out on bail pending trial. Corporate contributions to
-state legislative candidates are illegal in Texas.
DeLay indicted, steps down as majority leader
House leader calls charges 'sham'; Blunt picked as replacement
Click here for see the indictment
On Sept. 9, 2005 DeLay’s PAC, Texans for a Republican Majority (TRMPAC), is indicted for
illegal donations.
Chronology of Delay - NYT
DeLay Is Indicted Again in Texas; Money Laundering Is Charge
Wikipedia: Tom Delay Corruption Investigation
L John Colyandro, was Delay’s executive director of the political action committee
(TRMPAC) Texans for a Republican Majority. He was indicted as a co-conspirator, accused of
receiving illegal corporate political contributions.
3 DeLay Workers Indicted in Texas
L Republican James Ellis, Director Americans for a Republican Majority was indicted with
other DeLay associates for money laundering as well as 13 counts of unlawful acceptance of a
corporate political contribution. Money laundering charges stem from $190,000 in corporate
funds that were sent to the Republican National Party
3 DeLay Workers Indicted in Texas
Wiki: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jim_Ellis_%28politics%29
L Republican Warren RoBold, Lobbyist and DeLay associate was also indicted as the
fundraiser for TRMPAC. Speculation on the internet is that RoBold is cooperating with
prosecutors against DeLay and Ellis.
3 DeLay Workers Indicted in Texas
CORRUPTION / BRIBERY
October 01, 2007
Republican Mayor Richard R. Goyette pleaded guilty to extortion and bribery. He was
sentenced to two years in prison and one year of community confinement.
Ex-Chicopee mayor sentenced to two years in prison
August 27, 2007
Republican Mayor of Ocean Township, NJ, Terance Weldon pleaded guilty to accepting
$64,000 from three developers in return for his help in gaining zoning approvals in the township.
The judge in the case threw out the prosecutor’s plea for leniency and Weldon was sentenced to
nearly 5 years in prison.
Former Ocean Twp. mayor gets nearly 5 years in jail
July 27, 2007
L Montana Gubernatorial candidate Pat Davison pled guilty and was sentenced to 10 years in
federal prison for securities fraud. He defrauded at least 13 victims of $8.6 million.
Ex-candidate sentenced for Ponzi scheme
January 18, 2007
Keyport (NJ) Mayor, Republican John Merla, was acquitted in 1992 of a $10,000 bribe. He
pleaded guilty to accepting a $2,500 bribe in exchange for lucrative municipal contracts. He was
sentenced to 22 months, three year probation and a $20,000 fine.
Ex-Keyport Mayor Bribe Plea: Guilty
December 6, 2006
L Alaskan Republican Rep. Tom Anderson was indicted by a federal grand jury on seven
felony counts of extortion, bribery, conspiracy, and money laundering involving allegations that
he took bribes of nearly $13,000 in return for using his official position as a legislator to
advocate for private prisons. He was sentenced to five years in prison.
Convicted former legislator Anderson off to Oregon to begin sentence - Dec. 2, 2007
Anderson indicted on seven counts
December 6, 2006
L Michael Hooks, Sr, chairman Shelby County Commission Charged pled guilty to receiving
over $24,000 in bribes.
Hooks Sr. Accepts Sentence, 'Did Wrong'
December 1, 2006
L Republican Robert T. Schofield - Schofield plead guilty to providing false documents to
Asian immigrants for nearly $600,000.
Immigration Official Pleads Guilty to Falsifying Documents
October 20, 2006
L Mayor of St. Peters, MO, Republican Shawn Brown pleaded guilty to charges of threatening
to veto an ordinance authorizing the city to purchase digital red light and speeding enforcement
systems unless the company paid him a bribe. He was sentenced to 18 months in prison.
St. Peters Mayor Pleads Guilty to Federal Bribery Charges
October 11, 2006
L Middletown Committeeman, Republican Raymond O’Grady, who was the director of the
county motor pool for the County of Monmouth was sentenced to 43 months in prison for
extorting and accepting $8,000 in bribes.
DOJ Release:
Co-Owner of Municipal Truck Sales Company
Admits Paying Off Public Officials
DOJ Press Release: Middletown Committeeman O'Grady Indicted in Monmouth County
Corruption Probe
October 11, 2006
Republican Richard Iadanza, 51, former Neptune committeeman pleaded guilty to taking
$3,000 in bribes. He was sentenced to 4 months in prison and a $4,000 fine.
1 pleads innocent, 2 guilty in sting
Iadanza Sentenced To 4 Month Prison Term Must also pay $4,000 fine
October 11, 2006
L Republican county committeeman in Middletown, Joseph "Joey Buses" McCurnin, 65,
former Monmouth County transportation operations manager: Pleaded guilty to aiding in the
extortion of a $1,000 bribe. He was sentenced to 3 months in a federal prison and he had to pay
a $3,000 fine, and three months house arrest following his release.
1 pleads innocent, 2 guilty in sting
September 27, 2006
L Mayor of Hazlet, NJ, Republican Paul Coughlin was charged with extorting cash bribes and
free work from a contractor - who was cooperating with the FBI. Coughlin was sentenced to two
years for receiving a $3,000 bribe.
Coughlin given two-year sentence
Attorney: Alcoholism played role in former Hazlet mayor's crime
August 5, 2006
L President Bush’s Domestic Policy Advisor, Republican Claude Allen pleaded guilty to theft
in making phony returns at discount department stores. He was sentenced to two years of
supervised probation and fined $500.”
Ex-Aide To Bush Pleads Guilty
July 12, 2006
L Chief of staff to Illinois State Rep. Lee A. Daniels, Republican Michael Tristano, was found
guilty of forcing state workers to do campaign work. He received one year in jail and was forced
to pay $125,000 in restitution.
Former GOP aide Tristano sentenced to 1 year in jail
April 25, 2006
L Republican Chief of Staff Peter Ellef and part of Gov. Rowland’s administration corruption
scandal, pled guilty to bribery and tax evasion. Ellef was sentenced to 30 months in jail followed
by three years of supervised release, a $15,000 fine, and 400 hours of community service.
“Wizard of Oz” Gets 30 Months
Connecticut Official and State Contractor Are Each Sentenced to 30 Months in Prison
April 19, 2006
L Republican Philip H. Bloom, businessman, was indicted for bribery in an effort to gain
defense contracts.
U.S. Contractor Admits Bribery For Jobs in Iraq
Occupation Officials Got Cash and Gifts for Deals
February 22, 2006
L Republican State Rep. Chris Newton from Cleveland pleaded guilty to taking $1,500 in
bribes to influence legislation on behalf of E-Cycle Management Inc., which was the sham
company the FBI used. He was sentenced to a year in prison and ordered to pay a $10,000 fine,
supervised release for two years and then must serve 200 hours of community service.
Newton sentenced to one-year in prison in Waltz sting
February 15, 2007
L Former Clark County Commissioner (NV), Republican Lance Malone plead guilty to one
count of conspiracy under the Racketeer Influenced and Corrupt Organization Act, a charge that
stemmed from paying Clark County politicians cash bribes on behalf of strip club owner Michael
Galardi.
Six years in prison for Malone
Judge also levies $100,000 fine against Galardi bagman
April 12, 2005
L Mayor of Washington Township, NJ, Republican Gerald J. Luongo was sentenced to 13
months in federal prison after admitting that he had diverted campaign and community funds to
his personal use. He also pleaded guilty to accepting bribes totaling approximately $245,000
from a developer who conducted business in Marlboro Township, and to tax evasion.
Former Mayor in Glocester County Sentenced to 13 Months for Using Campaign, Community
Project Funds for Own Use
February 2, 2004
L Republican political consultant, Rayfield James, was convicted of conspiring to profit
illegally from waterfront development and extorting cash bribes and free work from a contractor.
He was sentenced to three years in prison.
Former Asbury Park Mayor Admits Tax Charges; Plea Follows December Corruption Conviction

John said...

Suze surrendered:

"After all of this, you still don't get it. This conversation is over."

That's not long after fathead/Lurch/Uncle Joe (Stalin) capitulated:

"Pretty obvious the little trolls need to be taught that they can't have any attention til they learn to mimic adult conversation."

(said Gorbachev after Reykjavik)

And Blossom prostrated:

"You're right, fat guy, no more crumbs for the trolls til they beg politely."

And Karl quit:

"They've developed a technique to use in lieu of their missing brains...they babble a lot of silly shit til (sic) you quit bothering with them."

Yeah, that's it Karl. Buh-bye, now.

Veni, vidi, vici.

John said...

Yo, justafew, let's talk about the last Democratic President (whose first order of business in the White House was to slap the previous Republican administration by ceremoniously pledging higher ethics, responsibility, and accountabality in governance):

-The only president ever impeached on grounds of personal malfeasance
- Most number of convictions and guilty pleas by friends and associates
- Most number of cabinet officials to come under criminal investigation
- Most number of witnesses to flee country or refuse to testify
- Most number of witnesses to die suddenly
- First president sued for sexual harassment.
- Second president accused of rape
- First first lady to come under criminal investigation
- Largest criminal plea agreement in an illegal campaign contribution case
- First president to establish a legal defense fund.
- First president to be held in contempt of court
- Greatest amount of illegal campaign contributions
- Greatest amount of illegal campaign contributions from abroad
- First president disbarred from the US Supreme Court and a state court

Tool.

John said...

Hey Blossom. Why don't you drop by my place. I want to show you something.

Anonymous said...

John said...
Suze surrendered:
"After all of this, you still don't get it. This conversation is over."



I certainly gave up on expecting you to understand even simple concepts.

Anonymous said...

Gee, looks like someone's in denial over the GOP crime wave. That was just a tiny part of the list...there'll be more coming...it just takes forever simply to post it all...so much work...but...well, it's a labor of love.

John said...

Suze, first you accused me of being weasly because I allegedly didn't know that Darwin didn't talk about how life itself originated but then pretended later that I knew all along. (even though the quote you used to "prove" my ignorance about Darwin's silence has me specically saying that "Darwin was actually pretty quiet about that.")

Then you called me an "ignoramus" because I said:

"That's all I said about Darwinism. I didn't say a peep about evolution."

Right. What I said about Darwinism was that it was "quiet" about the origin of life itself and said nothing of its evolutionary aspects. Not a opeep, in fact.

Yet you concluded:

"Only an ignoramus could make that statement."

Hello?

Am I missing something? (please, no predictable "Yeah! A brain!" jokes).

And you resign:

"I certainly gave up on expecting you to understand even simple concepts."

Well, I admit, Suze, that I'm confounded.

John said...

Blossom, didn't you see my ^invitation^?

Come on over (to Republicus). I want you to see something. :)

Anonymous said...

Just a few more...note how the liberal posts with fact, reason and evidence, whilst the modrun conservative responds with childish innuendo and exaggerated nonsense!! It's so upsetting, isn't it...well, ok, it's just hilarious, but still...

May 11, 2005
L Republican Michael Aaron Lay was indicted May 11, 2005 for voting twice in North
Carolina. The charges were eventually dismissed but Lay had to perform 100 hours of
community service and pay a $440 fine.
Congressman McHenry's Campaign Aide Indicted
March 18, 2005
L Republican Connecticut Gov. John Rowland pleaded guilty to guilty to one count of
conspiracy to steal honest service (forcing state workers to do campaign work) and received a
sentence of one year plus one day in prison.
Guilty Plea For Ex-Conn. Governor
Rowland Could Face Up To 5 Years In Prison On Corruption Charge
October 18, 2003
Essex County (NJ) Executive, Republican James Treffinger pleaded guilty to taking $15,000 in
illegal political contributions from United Gunite, a paving and sewer repair company, in
exchange for county road repair contracts. He was sentenced to 13 months in prison
Former Essex County Official Sentenced in Corruption Case
April 29, 2003
L Mayor of Paterson, NJ, Republican Martin G. Barnes pleaded guilty to charges of taking
$200,000 to $350,000 in bribes and gratuities from city contractors. The original 40-count
indictment charged him with accepting free trips, home improvements like a backyard swimming
pool and waterfall, designer suits, and money to pay for ''female companionship.'' He was
sentenced to 37 months in prison.
Former Mayor of Paterson Is Given 37 Months for Bribery
April 11, 2003
L Florida Senate President, Republican W.D. Childers was sentenced to 3 years in prison for
bribing a fellow Escambia County commissioner to vote for buying a soccer complex in
Pensacola.
Florida: Ex-State Senator Convicted Of Bribery

Anonymous said...

Then there's that whole ugly "Duke" Cunningham thing...ugly bit of business, that...

RANDY “DUKE” CUNNINGHAM
March 3, 2006
L Republican Rep. Randy "Duke" Cunningham plead guilty to bribery, mail fraud, wire
fraud, and tax evasion surrounding defense contracts. He was sentenced to eight years and four
months in prison and an ordered to pay $1.8 million in restitution. The extent of the corruption
has yet to be investigated. On-going investigations show ties to Tom DeLay and Jack Abramoff.
For his FBI confession: click here
To read the entire story go to Sign-On San Diego
Wiki
February 20, 2008
L Major Republican fundraiser and defense contractor Brent Wilkes was sentenced to 12 years
in prison for bribing Randy “Duke” Cunningham. Wilkes provided Duke with prostitutes,
vacations, jet boats, concert and football tickets and large amounts of cash. Overall it amounted
to $600,000 in gifts and cash in exchange for $80 million in defense contracts.
Wilkes gets 12 years in prison for bribery
March 21, 2008
L Former Central Intelligence Agency Executive Director, Republican Kyle “Dusty” Foggo
was indicted for corrupting the CIA’s agency's contracts by steering them toward Cunningham’s
fundraiser and defense contractor Brent Wilkes. Upon changing his venue to Virginia, Foggo is
now facing new indictments.
Wiki:
Former Top CIA Official Indicted
Former top CIA official may face new charges in corruption case
February 4, 2008
L Republican Mitchell Wade, a New York mortgage broker pleaded guilty to conspiracy to
commit an unlawful monetary transaction (bribing Rep. Randy “Duke” Cunningham) and to
making a false statement to a federal grand jury. The FEC has also levied a fine of $1 million
against Wade.
New York broker in Cunningham scandal pleads guilty
February 5, 2008
L Republican John Michael, a New York Mortgage broker pled guilty to a charge of conspiracy
to commit money laundering and to subsequently lying to a federal grand jury. He has yet to be
sentenced. He faces a maximum of five years in prison on each charge and a $250,000 fine.
Indictment
New York broker in Cunningham scandal pleads guilty
March 8, 2008
L Republican Thomas Kontogiannis, a financier and John Michael's uncle (by marriage), has
pleaded guilty to money laundering. He admitted to help finance the purchase of Cunningham's
$2.5 million house in Rancho Santa Fe, in a deal that evolved from two military contractors'
alleged plans to bribe the congressman. Kontogiannis, a Long Island developer, also pleaded
guilty in 2002 to bribery and kickback charges in connection with a $6.3 million bid-rigging
scheme involving the New York public schools.
Files on guilty plea won't be unsealed
“An extraordinary curtain of secrecy was drawn over the Kontogiannis appellate proceedings.
The judges ordered all the briefs to be filed under seal, the court docket for the case was not
published, and the hearing where the government pleaded its case was closed.”
A sentencing date has not been set.

Anonymous said...

Then there was that terrible mess with GOP Governor Ryan:

GOVERNOR GEORGE RYAN CORRUPTION SCANDAL
November 7, 2007
L Republican Gov. George Ryan of Illinois was convicted on 18 corruption charges. Scott
Fawell, - his Chief of Staff was also convicted along with 76 former state officials, lobbyists,
truck drivers and others. All stemming from the illegal sale of government licenses, contracts
and leases by state employees during his prior service as Secretary of State. The initial
investigation began after 6 children were killed in a tragic auto accident. The bribes put
thousands of unqualified truck drivers on the road - one that killed the six children of Scott and
Janis Willis.
Ryan convicted in corruption trial
Department of Justice list of individuals convicted in Operation Safe Road
Ryan was found guilty on all 18 counts of steering state business to cronies for bribes, of gutting
corruption-fighting efforts to protect political fundraising and of misusing state resources for
political gain. He reported to the Federal Prison Camp in Oxford, Wisconsin on November 7,
2007. He is currently listed as Inmate Number 16627-424, and is scheduled for release on July 4,
2013, when he will be 79 years old.
No Apology from Disgraced Ex-Governor to Grieving Parents - Sept. 9, 2006
Wiki: George Ryan’s Scandals and Corruption
March 16, 2007
L Republican Scott Fawell, Gov. Ryan's top aide, campaign manager and former secretary of
state during much of the 1990s. Convicted of racketeering in 2003 in connection with his work
for Ryan, Fawell was sentenced to 6 1/2 years. Fawell later agreed to help the government at the
request of his indicted fiancee, Andrea Coutretsis. He pleaded guilty in September 2004 to
rigging bids when he was the $195,000-a-year head of the Chicago Pier and Exposition
Authority.
Ryan Aide Scott Fawell Gets Prison Sentence Cut
But He Doesn't Get Reduction Of As Much As He Wants
Grand Jury Indictment
August 17, 2006
L Republican Larry Warner, lobbyist, co-defendent with Gov Ryan, was found guilty of
racketeering conspiracy, mail fraud, attempted extortion, illegally structuring bank withdrawals
and money laundering. He was sentenced to 41 months in prison.
George Ryan Guilty On All Counts
October 11, 2006
L Former deputy campaign manager Richard Juliano pled guilty to related charges and
testified against Fawell at trial.
Ex-Ryan aide gets probation for diverting state resources
Richard Juliano: The Consequences of Public Corruption: An Insider’s View
May 29, 2003
L Republican Alexandra Prokos was convicted of perjury in the Gov. George Ryan’s
corruption probe.
Another Ryan Associate Indicted
July 31, 2006
L Republican Andrea Coutretsis, Fawell’s assistant who later developed a relationship with
him, has pleaded guilty in two separate corruption cases and received four months in prison.
Fawell's Fiancee Gets 4 Months In Prison
Woman Lied To Grand Jury Investigating George Ryan's Office
September 18, 2003
Former Illinois State Rep., Republican Roger “The Hog” Stanley was convicted of obstruction
of justice and was sentenced to two years in federal prison. He admitted to ghost payrolling
schemes and kickbacks with Scott Fawell in George Ryan's campaign and Secretary of State's
Office.
Prison Sentence Handed Down For 'Licenses For Bribes' Player

Anonymous said...

Wow...has somebody got a thing for Bloss!! And, with all those GOPerv sado-mas accoutrements, too...they can't handle it without apparatus, you know...butt, wait til she laughs in his face and that little cane wilts in his hand.

Anonymous said...

Sen. Barack Obama has gained a fervent following by preaching messages of hope and change, but has a long campaign tethered him to the sphere of age-old politics? A series of statements on the stump suggest Obama is perfectly capable of joining the ranks of silver-tongued politicians.

1. Spiritual Adviser, April 29, 2008
Non-truth: Obama told reporters at a news conference that his former pastor, Rev. Jeremiah Wright, was never his spiritual counselor.

“He was never my spiritual mentor. He was my pastor. And to some extent how the press characterized in the past that relationship, I think, was inaccurate,” Obama said.

Truth: During a June 5, 2007, speech at Hampton University, Obama introduced Wright by describing him as “the guy who puts up with me, counsels me, listens to my wife complain about me.”

Sources: CQ, Newsmaker Transcripts, Special Events April 29, 2008; “Obama Says White House Ignores ‘Quiet Riot’ Among Blacks,” CBS2Chicago.com, June 5 2007.

2. Jeremiah Wright, April 16, 2008
Non-truth: During a March 14 interview with FOX News, Obama said he was never in church when his former pastor, Rev. Jeremiah Wright, made the now infamous sermons during which he proclaimed “God damn America” and asserted that the U.S. brought on the Sept. 11, 2001, attacks with its own “terrorism.”

“None of these statements were ones I had heard myself personally in the pews,” Obama said, calling the sermons “unacceptable and inexcusable.”

Truth: During a March 18 speech Obama said, “Did I ever hear him make remarks that could be considered controversial while I sat in church? Yes.” He added, “The remarks that have caused this recent firestorm weren’t simply controversial … they expressed a profoundly distorted view of this country.”

Nearly one month later, on April 16, Obama told a group of Jewish leaders in Philadelphia that he “did not become aware of [Wright’s statements] until I started running for president,” implying that he did not hear the remarks while he “sat in church.”

Sources: “Obama Rejects Sermons from Pastor Who Was Like an Uncle,” FOXNews.com, March 14, 2008; “Remarks of Senator Barack Obama, ‘A More Perfect Union’” barackobama.com, March 18, 2008; “Obama Tells Philadelphia Jewish leaders He Would Not Sit Down With Hamas,” Obama speech, pool report, April 16, 2008.

3. Selma Voting-Rights March, March 5, 2007
Obama told an audience at a Selma Voting Rights March commemoration that during this historic civil rights event in 1965 “there was something stirring across the country because of what happened in Selma.”

Non-truth: He said his parents “got together and Barack Obama Jr. was born. So don’t tell me I don’t have a claim on Selma, Alabama.”

Truth: Obama was born in 1961 — four years before the 1965 Selma march occurred. He later clarified his remarks, saying, “I meant the whole civil rights movement.”

Sources: “Sen. Obama Delivers Remarks at Selma Voting Rights March Commemoration, Selma, Ala.,” Newsmaker Transcripts, March 4, 2007; “Clinton and Obama Unite, Briefly, in Please to Blacks,” The New York Times, March 5, 2007.

4. Lobbyist Money, April 12, 2008
Non-truth: During campaign speeches, Obama frequently makes the contention that “I’m the only candidate who doesn’t take money from corporate PACs and lobbyists.”

Truth: Obama has raised nearly $14 million from lawyers and lobbyists. In October, Obama raised about $125,000 at a fundraising event in the Washington offices of Greenberg Traurig, the law firm that once employed convicted lobbyist Jack Abramoff.

Obama has sought to draw a distinction between “lawyer advocates” and “lawyer lobbyists,” but some non-partisan experts see that as “a distinction without a difference,” as they both operate as special interests.

Sources: “Full Text of Obama’s Speech to the Alliance for American Manufacturing,” Time.com, April 14, 2008; “Obama Draws Fine Line Between Lobbyists, Lawyer Donors,” Newsday, April 12, 2008.

5. Nuclear Legislation, Dec. 30, 2007
During a campaign event in Newton, Iowa, Obama touted his sponsorship of a bill in the Senate that required nuclear power plant owners to notify authorities immediately of all radioactive leaks, no matter how small.

Non-truth: That was “the only nuclear legislation that I’ve passed” he told the crowd.

Truth: Obama had rewritten the bill to ease its passage and removed the language requiring the reporting of leaks. The bill died when it reached the full Senate, and did not pass as he claimed.

Source: “Nuclear Leaks and Response Tested Obama in Senate,” New York Times, Feb. 3, 2008.

6. Law Professor, March 30, 2008
Non-truth: During a campaign fundraiser in Tallahassee, Fla., in March 2007, Obama spoke of his time as a “constitutional law professor” at the University of Chicago, “which means unlike the current president, I actually respect the Constitution.”

Truth: Obama never held a professor position at the University of Chicago. The university said he was a lecturer and taught courses to students at the law school, but “did not hold the title of professor of law.”

Sources: “Obama: Bush Fails to Respect the Constitution,” Associated Press, March 30, 2007; “No ‘Professor’ Obama at U. of C,” Chicago Sun-Times, March 30, 2008.

7. Life Magazine Claims in Obama’s Autobiography, March 25, 2007
In his 1995 autobiography, “Dreams From My Father,” Obama cited a copy of Life magazine as having stirred a racial awakening in him.

Non-truth: He wrote that when he was 9 years old, living in Indonesia, he flipped through Life magazine and read an article about a black man who had scarred and ruined his skin applying chemicals that promised to make his skin white. “I imagine other black children, then and now, undergoing similar moments of revelation,” he wrote.

Truth: No article or pictures exist of any such story, according to Life historians. When questioned about the mix-up, Obama couldn’t name the specific magazine in which he read the article.

Source: “The Not-So-Simple Story of Barack Obama’s Youth,” Chicago Tribune, March 25, 2007.

8. Obama’s Fluency, March 25, 2007
Non-truth: Obama has claimed on numerous occasions that, as a boy growing up in Indonesia, he was fluent in the country’s language. “It had taken me less than six months to learn Indonesia’s language, its customs, and its legends,” he wrote in “Dreams From My Father.”

Truth: His first-grade teacher in Jakarta said he struggled with the language, needing help with pronunciation and vowel sounds, and teachers and friends remembered him as a being a quiet boy as a result of his difficulties.

Anonymous said...

As the war in Iraq becomes more unpopular with an increasing number of Americans, Democrats in collusion with the liberal mainstream media, continue to politicize the war by blatantly distorting the facts.

For example, a popular refrain is that President Bush lied about Weapons of Mass Destruction (WMD) in order to implement a grand strategy fashioned by neo-conservatives well before Bush actually took office. Said strategy was supposedly aimed at using military force to install democratic regimes friendly to the U.S. throughout the Middle East.

However, the left has never adequately answered the following question. If Bush knew there was no WMD, why would he send 150,000 troops into Iraq since his “lie” would be immediately exposed by invading coalition forces and reported by a large contingent of media embedded within those forces?

Liberals also choose to ignore United Nations Resolution 144I, which clearly established that Iraq had WMD. That resolution was approved unanimously by the UN member nations.

Besides the illogic in claiming that President Bush lied about WMD, the liberal argument is discredited by comments by Democrats themselves in the years and months leading up to the 2003 invasion.

Herewith a substantial collection of quotes from responsible professionals about Saddam Hussein and WMD in Iraq:
“[W]e urge you, after consulting with Congress, and consistent with the U.S. Constitution and laws, to take necessary actions (including, if appropriate, air and missile strikes on suspect Iraqi sites) to respond effectively to the threat posed by Iraq’s refusal to end its weapons of mass destruction programs."—From a letter signed by Joe Lieberman, Dianne Feinstein, Barbara A. Milulski, Tom Daschle, & John Kerry among others on October 9, 1998

“This December will mark three years since United Nations inspectors last visited Iraq. There is no doubt that since that time, Saddam Hussein has reinvigorated his weapons programs. Reports indicate that biological, chemical and nuclear programs continue apace and may be back to pre-Gulf War status. In addition, Saddam continues to refine delivery systems and is doubtless using the cover of an illicit missile program to develop longer- range missiles that will threaten the United States and our allies."—From a December 6, 2001 letter signed by Bob Graham, Joe Lieberman, Harold Ford, & Tom Lantos, among others

“Whereas Iraq has consistently breached its cease-fire agreement between Iraq and the United States, entered into on March 3, 1991, by failing to dismantle its weapons of mass destruction program, and refusing to permit monitoring and verification by United Nations inspections; Whereas Iraq has developed weapons of mass destruction, including chemical and biological capabilities, and has made positive progress toward developing nuclear weapons capabilities"—From a joint resolution submitted by Tom Harkin and Arlen Specter on July 18, 2002

“Saddam’s goal … is to achieve the lifting of U.N. sanctions while retaining and enhancing Iraq’s weapons of mass destruction programs. We cannot, we must not and we will not let him succeed."—Madeline Albright, 1998

“(Saddam) will rebuild his arsenal of weapons of mass destruction and some day, some way, I am certain he will use that arsenal again, as he has 10 times since 1983"—National Security Adviser Sandy Berger, Feb 18, 1998

“Iraq made commitments after the Gulf War to completely dismantle all weapons of mass destruction, and unfortunately, Iraq has not lived up to its agreement."—Barbara Boxer, November 8, 2002

“The last UN weapons inspectors left Iraq in October of 1998. We are confident that Saddam Hussein retained some stockpiles of chemical and biological weapons, and that he has since embarked on a crash course to build up his chemical and biological warfare capability. Intelligence reports also indicate that he is seeking nuclear weapons, but has not yet achieved nuclear capability."—Robert Byrd, October 2002

“There’s no question that Saddam Hussein is a threat… Yes, he has chemical and biological weapons. He’s had those for a long time. But the United States right now is on a very much different defensive posture than we were before September 11th of 2001… He is, as far as we know, actively pursuing nuclear capabilities, though he doesn’t have nuclear warheads yet. If he were to acquire nuclear weapons, I think our friends in the region would face greatly increased risks as would we."—Wesley Clark on September 26, 2002

“What is at stake is how to answer the potential threat Iraq represents with the risk of proliferation of WMD. Baghdad’s regime did use such weapons in the past. Today, a number of evidences may lead to think that, over the past four years, in the absence of international inspectors, this country has continued armament programs."—Jacques Chirac, October 16, 2002

“The community of nations may see more and more of the very kind of threat Iraq poses now: a rogue state with weapons of mass destruction, ready to use them or provide them to terrorists. If we fail to respond today, Saddam and all those who would follow in his footsteps will be emboldened tomorrow."—Bill Clinton in 1998

“In the four years since the inspectors left, intelligence reports show that Saddam Hussein has worked to rebuild his chemical and biological weapons stock, his missile delivery capability, and his nuclear program. He has also given aid, comfort, and sanctuary to terrorists, including Al Qaeda members, though there is apparently no evidence of his involvement in the terrible events of September 11, 2001. It is clear, however, that if left unchecked, Saddam Hussein will continue to increase his capacity to wage biological and chemical warfare, and will keep trying to develop nuclear weapons. Should he succeed in that endeavor, he could alter the political and security landscape of the Middle East, which as we know all too well affects American security."—Hillary Clinton, October 10, 2002

“I am absolutely convinced that there are weapons...I saw evidence back in 1998 when we would see the inspectors being barred from gaining entry into a warehouse for three hours with trucks rolling up and then moving those trucks out."—Clinton’s Secretary of Defense William Cohen in April of 2003

“Iraq is not the only nation in the world to possess weapons of mass destruction, but it is the only nation with a leader who has used them against his own people."—Tom Daschle in 1998

“Saddam Hussein’s regime represents a grave threat to America and our allies, including our vital ally, Israel. For more than two decades, Saddam Hussein has sought weapons of mass destruction through every available means. We know that he has chemical and biological weapons. He has already used them against his neighbors and his own people, and is trying to build more. We know that he is doing everything he can to build nuclear weapons, and we know that each day he gets closer to achieving that goal."—John Edwards, Oct 10, 2002

“The debate over Iraq is not about politics. It is about national security. It should be clear that our national security requires Congress to send a clear message to Iraq and the world: America is united in its determination to eliminate forever the threat of Iraq’s weapons of mass destruction."—John Edwards, Oct 10, 2002

“I share the administration’s goals in dealing with Iraq and its weapons of mass destruction."—Dick Gephardt in September of 2002

“Iraq does pose a serious threat to the stability of the Persian Gulf and we should organize an international coalition to eliminate his access to weapons of mass destruction. Iraq’s search for weapons of mass destruction has proven impossible to completely deter and we should assume that it will continue for as long as Saddam is in power."—Al Gore, 2002

“We are in possession of what I think to be compelling evidence that Saddam Hussein has, and has had for a number of years, a developing capacity for the production and storage of weapons of mass destruction."—Bob Graham, December 2002

“Saddam Hussein is not the only deranged dictator who is willing to deprive his people in order to acquire weapons of mass destruction."—Jim Jeffords, October 8, 2002

“We have known for many years that Saddam Hussein is seeking and developing weapons of mass destruction."—Ted Kennedy, September 27, 2002

“There is no doubt that Saddam Hussein’s regime is a serious danger, that he is a tyrant, and that his pursuit of lethal weapons of mass destruction cannot be tolerated. He must be disarmed."—Ted Kennedy, Sept 27, 2002

“I will be voting to give the president of the United States the authority to use force - if necessary - to disarm Saddam Hussein because I believe that a deadly arsenal of weapons of mass destruction in his hands is a real and grave threat to our security."—John F. Kerry, Oct 2002

“The threat of Saddam Hussein with weapons of mass destruction is real, but as I said, it is not new. It has been with us since the end of that war, and particularly in the last 4 years we know after Operation Desert Fox failed to force him to reaccept them, that he has continued to build those weapons. He has had a free hand for 4 years to reconstitute these weapons, allowing the world, during the interval, to lose the focus we had on weapons of mass destruction and the issue of proliferation."—John Kerry, October 9, 2002

“(W)e need to disarm Saddam Hussein. He is a brutal, murderous dictator, leading an oppressive regime. We all know the litany of his offenses. He presents a particularly grievous threat because he is so consistently prone to miscalculation. ...And now he is miscalculating America’s response to his continued deceit and his consistent grasp for weapons of mass destruction. That is why the world, through the United Nations Security Council, has spoken with one voice, demanding that Iraq disclose its weapons programs and disarm. So the threat of Saddam Hussein with weapons of mass destruction is real, but it is not new. It has been with us since the end of the Persian Gulf War."—John Kerry, Jan 23, 2003

“We begin with the common belief that Saddam Hussein is a tyrant and a threat to the peace and stability of the region. He has ignored the mandates of the United Nations and is building weapons of mass destruction and the means of delivering them."—Carl Levin, Sept 19, 2002

“Every day Saddam remains in power with chemical weapons, biological weapons, and the development of nuclear weapons is a day of danger for the United States."—Joe Lieberman, August, 2002

“Over the years, Iraq has worked to develop nuclear, chemical and biological weapons. During 1991 - 1994, despite Iraq’s denials, United Nations inspectors discovered and dismantled a large network of nuclear facilities that Iraq was using to develop nuclear weapons. Various reports indicate that Iraq is still actively pursuing nuclear weapons capability. There is no reason to think otherwise. Beyond nuclear weapons, Iraq has actively pursued biological and chemical weapons. Inspectors have said that Iraq’s claims about biological weapons is neither credible nor verifiable. In 1986, Iraq used chemical weapons against Iran, and later, against its own Kurdish population. While weapons inspections have been successful in the past, there have been no inspections since the end of 1998. There can be no doubt that Iraq has continued to pursue its goal of obtaining weapons of mass destruction."—Patty Murray, October 9, 2002

“As a member of the House Intelligence Committee, I am keenly aware that the proliferation of chemical and biological weapons is an issue of grave importance to all nations. Saddam Hussein has been engaged in the development of weapons of mass destruction technology which is a threat to countries in the region and he has made a mockery of the weapons inspection process."—Nancy Pelosi, December 16, 1998

“Even today, Iraq is not nearly disarmed. Based on highly credible intelligence, UNSCOM [the U.N. weapons inspectors] suspects that Iraq still has biological agents like anthrax, botulinum toxin, and clostridium perfringens in sufficient quantity to fill several dozen bombs and ballistic missile warheads, as well as the means to continue manufacturing these deadly agents. Iraq probably retains several tons of the highly toxic VX substance, as well as sarin nerve gas and mustard gas. This agent is stored in artillery shells, bombs, and ballistic missile warheads. And Iraq retains significant dual-use industrial infrastructure that can be used to rapidly reconstitute large-scale chemical weapons production."—Ex-Un Weapons Inspector Scott Ritter in 1998

“There is unmistakable evidence that Saddam Hussein is working aggressively to develop nuclear weapons and will likely have nuclear weapons within the next five years. And that may happen sooner if he can obtain access to enriched uranium from foreign sources—something that is not that difficult in the current world. We also should remember we have always underestimated the progress Saddam has made in development of weapons of mass destruction."—John Rockefeller, Oct 10, 2002

“Saddam’s existing biological and chemical weapons capabilities pose a very real threat to America, now. Saddam has used chemical weapons before, both against Iraq’s enemies and against his own people. He is working to develop delivery systems like missiles and unmanned aerial vehicles that could bring these deadly weapons against U.S. forces and U.S. facilities in the Middle East."—John Rockefeller, Oct 10, 2002

“Whether one agrees or disagrees with the Administration’s policy towards Iraq, I don’t think there can be any question about Saddam’s conduct. He has systematically violated, over the course of the past 11 years, every significant UN resolution that has demanded that he disarm and destroy his chemical and biological weapons, and any nuclear capacity. This he has refused to do. He lies and cheats; he snubs the mandate and authority of international weapons inspectors; and he games the system to keep buying time against enforcement of the just and legitimate demands of the United Nations, the Security Council, the United States and our allies. Those are simply the facts."—Henry Waxman, Oct 10, 2002.

As the record clearly shows, if G.W. Bush lied about WMD, he was joined by most, if not all, prominent Democrats at the time.

Anonymous said...

Uh-oh. The war in Iraq is nearly over and Bush won it... who's gonna tell the Democrats?

WASHINGTON — Army Gen. David Petraeus, the U.S. commander in Iraq, gave Congress a markedly more upbeat assessment of the war on Thursday than he did just six weeks ago, saying violence has hit a four-year low and further troop reductions are likely in the fall.

Qualifying his assessment, Petraeus said the additional troop withdrawals may be small, potentially less than a full 3,500-soldier combat brigade. He also said that political goals continue to lag, noting that Iraqi provincial elections scheduled for October will be postponed by at least a month.

But Petraeus was noticeably more optimistic in testimony Thursday than he was during a high-profile appearance on Capitol Hill last month. Then, an Iraqi offensive in the southern city of Basra was faltering, with government troops stymied by Shiite militias and violence breaking out in Shiite neighborhoods nationwide.

This time, Petraeus painted a picture of Iraqi troops finally taking the lead against extremist groups and militias on multiple battlefields, from the south in Basra to the northern city of Mosul and Baghdad's Sadr City neighborhood in between.

"The operation in Basra did have a shaky start, but it has since seen enormous progress that has produced very positive tactical and strategic results," Petraeus said. "This has been all-important, because there has been a degree of support for Prime Minister (Nouri) al-Maliki in the subsequent period that is unparalleled during the time that ... I have been in Iraq."

Petraeus was testifying before the Senate Armed Services Committee, which is considering his nomination to become head of all U.S. forces in the Middle East.

At the same hearing, Lt. Gen. Raymond Odierno, nominated to become the top Iraq commander, said he did not think additional U.S. troops would be needed for provincial elections this fall. Extra units have been sent for past elections.

John said...

justafewmore said:

"Just a few more..."

That's small fry, just. A pocketfull of chumpchange.

One more time, ladies & gentlenmen, the Clinton Administration:


-The only president ever impeached on grounds of personal malfeasance
- Most number of convictions and guilty pleas by friends and associates
- Most number of cabinet officials to come under criminal investigation
- Most number of witnesses to flee country or refuse to testify
- Most number of witnesses to die suddenly
- First president sued for sexual harassment.
- Second president accused of rape
- First first lady to come under criminal investigation
- Largest criminal plea agreement in an illegal campaign contribution case
- First president to establish a legal defense fund.
- First president to be held in contempt of court
- Greatest amount of illegal campaign contributions
- Greatest amount of illegal campaign contributions from abroad
- First president disbarred from the US Supreme Court and a state court

Clinton crime stats:

- Number of individuals and businesses associated with the Clinton machine who have been convicted of or pleaded guilty to crimes: 47
- Number of these convictions during Clinton's presidency: 33
- Number of indictments/misdemeanor charges: 61
- Number of congressional witnesses who have pleaded the Fifth Amendment, fled the country to avoid testifying, or (in the case of foreign witnesses) refused to be interviewed: 122

- As of June 2000, the Justice Department listed 25 people indicted and 19 convicted because of the 1996 Clinton-Gore fundraising scandals.

- According to the House Committee on Government Reform in September 2000, 79 House and Senate witnesses asserted the Fifth Amendment in the course of investigations into Gore's last fundraising campaign.

-James Riady entered a plea agreement to pay an $8.5 million fine for campaign finance crimes. This was a record under campaign finance laws.

Number of times that Clinton figures who testified in court or before Congress said that they didn't remember, didn't know, or something similar:

Bill Kennedy 116
Harold Ickes 148
Ricki Seidman 160
Bruce Lindsey 161
Bill Burton 191
Mark Gearan 221
Mack McLarty 233
Neil Egglseston 250
Hillary Clinton 250
John Podesta 264
Jennifer O'Connor 343
Dwight Holton 348
Patsy Thomasson 420
Jeff Eller 697

Clinton--whose self-indulgement autobiography recalled inane details from his childhood on--had his memory fail him 267 times in depositions:

I don't remember - 71
I don't know - 62
I'm not sure - 17
I have no idea - 10
I don't believe so - 9
I don't recall - 8
I don't think so - 8
I don't have any specific recollection - 6
I have no recollection - 4
Not to my knowledge - 4
I just don't remember - 4
I don't believe - 4
I have no specific recollection - 3
I might have - 3
I don't have any recollection of that - 2 I don't have a specific memory - 2
I don't have any memory of that - 2
I just can't say - 2
I have no direct knowledge of that - 2
I don't have any idea - 2
Not that I recall - 2
I don't believe I did - 2
I can't remember - 2
I can't say - 2
I do not remember doing so - 2
Not that I remember - 2
I'm not aware - 1
I honestly don't know - 1
I don't believe that I did - 1
I'm fairly sure - 1
I have no other recollection - 1
I'm not positive - 1
I certainly don't think so - 1
I don't really remember - 1
I would have no way of remembering that - 1
That's what I believe happened - 1
To my knowledge, no - 1
To the best of my knowledge - 1
To the best of my memory - 1
I honestly don't recall - 1
I honestly don't remember - 1
That's all I know - 1
I don't have an independent recollection of that - 1
I don't actually have an independent memory of that - 1
As far as I know - 1
I don't believe I ever did that - 1
That's all I know about that - 1
I'm just not sure - 1
Nothing that I remember - 1
I simply don't know - 1
I would have no idea - 1
I don't know anything about that - 1
I don't have any direct knowledge of that - 1
I just don't know - 1
I really don't know - 1
I can't deny that, I just -- I have no memory of that at all - 1

Weird shit happening to people in the Clinton Machinne orbit:

Number of persons who are alleged to have committed suicide: 9
- Number known to have been murdered: 12
- Number who died in plane crashes: 6
- Number who died in single car automobile accidents: 3
- Number of one-person sking fatalities: 1
- Number of key witnesses who have died of heart attacks while in federal custody under questionable circumstances: 1
- Number of unexplained deaths: 4
- Number of northern Mafia killings during peak years of 1968-78: 30
- Number of Dixie Mafia killings during same period: 156

More shit:

- FBI files misappropriated by the White House: c. 900
- Estimated number of witnesses quoted in FBI files misappropriated by the White House: 18,000
- Number of witnesses who developed medical problems at critical points in Clinton scandals investigation (Tucker, Hale, both McDougals, Lindsey): 5
- Problem areas listed in a memo by Clinton's own lawyer in preparation for the president's defense: 40
- Number of witnesses and critics of Clinton subjected to IRS audit: 45
- Number of names placed in a White House secret database without the knowledge of those named: c. 200,000
- Number of women involved with Clinton who claim to have been physically threatened (Sally Perdue, Gennifer Flowers, Kathleen Willey, Linda Tripp, Elizabeth Ward Gracen, Juantia Broaddrick): 6
- Number of men involved in the Clinton scandals who have been beaten up or claimed to have been intimidated: 10

I'd bet that you--and everyone else on this "Republican Crime Spree" frenzy-- voted for him twice and still approved of him strongly until you dumped him for Barry, just.

You're dismissed.

John said...

"Wow...has somebody got a thing for Bloss!!"

Doesn't everyone?

"And, with all those GOPerv sado-mas accoutrements, too..."

Don't look at me.

"...they can't handle it without apparatus, you know..."

That's what you think.

"...butt..."

"Butt?" Aren't you the one who gave Alice hard time for being preoccupied with butts, lana?

"...wait til she laughs in his face and that little cane wilts in his hand."

"Little cane?" You might want to take a closer look.

Besides, I think you're just jealous, lana, because Blossom's had more spank-time with me than you have. Don't worry. I'm sure you'll get your own fair share.

Anonymous said...

Then we have the whole RENZI thing...just the first in a long line of FRAUD / EMBEZZLEMENT corruption scandals:

March 8, 2008
L Republican Congressman Rick Renzi has been indicted over Arizona land deal and stealing
insurance premiums from dozens of Pro-Life groups and using the money to run for Congress.
Rep. Renzi indicted over Arizona land deal
House to Probe Renzi Over Indictment -February 28, 2008
Pro-Life Groups Hit by GOP Lawmaker's Alleged Fraud
Renzi Funneled Hundreds of Thousands from Pregnancy Crisis Centers to Fund First Run for
Congress
February 19, 2008
L City Treasurer for Harrisonburg City, Virgina, Republican Rebecca Neal has been indicted
for misusing public funds to the tune of $100,000.
Harrisonburg Treasurer Indicted for Fraud

Anonymous said...

Kerik: November 10, 2007
L Republican Bernie Kerik - nominated for Homeland Security Director and former New York
City police commissioner. Kerik was named in a 16-count indictment charging him with, fraud,
tax evasion, obstruction, filing a false loan application, and making an assortment of false
statements when applying for various federal posts, including Homeland Security secretary.
Bernard Kerik Indicted
A Defiant Kerik Vows to Battle U.S. Indictment
There’s a good in-depth article on Kerik in Talk Left / the Politics of Crime:
Bernie Kerik, Rudy and Larry Ray
In 2006, Kerik pled guilty to two unrelated ethics violations after an investigation by the Bronx
District Attorney's Office, and was ordered to pay $221,000. He is currently under federal
scrutiny for tax evasion. In addition, a Daily News “investigation revealed that Kerik accepted
cash and gifts from Interstate Industrial, an allegedly mobbed-up construction company.”

Anonymous said...

Here's the entire Kerik scandal list:

Ultimate Kerik Scandal List!
No rundown of Bernard Kerik's ethical shortcomings could ever hope to be comprehensive, but we've done our best. So here, without any further ado, is our grand catalogue. Thanks to TPMm research hounds Adrianne Jeffries, Will Thomas and Peter Sheehy and TPMm readers for all the help.

In today's indictment:

-- Bribery. Accepted $255,000 worth of renovations to his apartment in an upscale section of the Bronx from a mob-connected construction company, Interstate Industrial Corporation, that sought his help in winning city contracts. Kerik was Commissioner of the New York City Department of Corrections at the time. He already admitted to charges from city prosecutors that the payments constituted an illegal gift.
-- Tax fraud. Kerik failed to report $236,269 in rent for his Upper East Side apartment where he lived from December 2001 to December 2003 with his family. One of the city's biggest real estate developers, Steve Witkoff, paid the $9,650 in monthly rent. Kerik asked for Witkoff's help with the apartment while he was still police commissioner of NYC, and the real estate mogul made the payments because the two "anticipated doing business in the future."

-- More tax fraud. Kerik also failed to disclose $20,000 in consulting fees from a computer software company and $75,953 in royalties for writing his autobiography.

-- Even more tax fraud. Kerik failed to report wages paid to his nanny (more about that below), claimed $80,000 in phony charitable contributions, and falsely claimed a home office deduction for a home he had not moved into yet.

-- False statements. Lied on application for head of Department of Homeland Security about the nanny, payments from the construction company, and other things he preferred to keep quiet.


From before Kerik's time in city government:

-- Deported from Saudi Arabia. In 1982, Kerik was hired to provide security for a Saudi Arabian hospital. Nine former hospital employees have argued that Kerik acted as enforcer for his employer, Nizar Feteih, who used the security team to keep an eye on a handful of female hospital employees, as well as the men with whom they were in contact. Kerik is accused of inappropriate surveillance, including wiretapping staff members.
Kerik declared one doctor disliked by Feteih as drunk and had him arrested (and later deported) under Saudi law. The outrage prompted an investigation by the Ministry of Health, which determined that many allegations of security abuse against Kerik were accurate. Kerik was fired over the incident and deported.


Kerik's many, many ethical shortcomings while working first as New York City corrections commissioner and then police commissioner:

-- Bringing Tammany to Rikers. Kerik was named in a 1999 civil suit alleging that correctional officers were coerced into supporting Mayor Giuliania’s campaign efforts and that those who refused or privately supported Democrats were punished or run out of their jobs. The case, which was eventually settled, was brought by a Democratic warden who claimed that Kerik threatened to "hunt down" anyone who was "disloyal."
-- Gifts from mob-tied buddy. Interstate, that mob-connected construction company hired the best man at Mr. Kerik's wedding, his good friend Lawrence Ray, on Kerik's recommendation in late 1998. Ray, who has mob ties, said he gave Kerik $7,000 worth of cash and other gifts while Mr. Kerik was commissioner of correction and the police. Ray was indicted in 2000, alongside Edward Garafola (brother-in-law to mob underboss Sammy "The Bull" Gravano) of a $40 million market manipulation scheme of penny stocks.

-- 9/11 love nest. Kerik used a downtown Manhattan apartment, originally donated for the use of weary police and rescue workers who were helping at Ground Zero, for extramarital trysts with celebrity book editor Judith Regan and Jeanette Pinero, a city correction officer with whom Kerik carried on a long-time affair. (Things went sour when Pinero found a love note that Regan had left for Kerik.)

-- Retaliation against city employees for crossing his mistress. A Correction Department officer claimed in a lawsuit that he was repeatedly passed over for promotion because Kerik's lover, Correction Officer Jeanette Pinero, accused him of harassment. A Manhattan federal judge ruled in April 2007 that there was not enough evidence to support Deputy Warden Eric DeRavin's case. DeRavin said Kerik passed him over for promotion six times from 1998 to 2000. He eventually was promoted in May 2000 and retired early the following year. Kerik admitted he had a romantic relationship with Pinero that began in the fall of 1995 and lasted through early 1997, a year before he was named the correction chief in 1998, although he said he and Pinero remained friends through December 2001.

In another lawsuit, the city paid $250,000 to Herbert Reed, a 16-year veteran who claimed that the department filed bogus disciplinary and sexual harassment actions against him after he wrote up a friend of Pinero's for insubordination.

-- Using homicide detectives to find his other mistress's lost cell phone. Kerik sent two homicide detectives to investigate the disappearance of Judith Regan's cell phone and necklace. The items Regan said were stolen were later discovered with no indications of theft -- jewelry was later found at the bottom of Regan's handbag, a credit card was later found to have been left behind at a pharmacy, and the missing phone was later found in a garbage can in a TV studio where Regan had been.

-- Used city detectives as researchers for his book. Kerik was fined $2,500 by the New York City Conflicts of Interest Board in 2002 for using a police sergeant and two detectives to research his autobiography.

-- Shirked condo fees until a warrant was issued for his arrest. In 1998, Kerik was sued for failing to pay about $5,000 in maintenance fees on a condo he owned in New Jersey. When Kerik failed to respond to a subpoena, a judge issued a warrant for his arrest. A Kerik spokesman later said Kerik paid the fees and the warrant was withdrawn, but the existence of the warrant was news to the White House and Kerik's handlers.

-- Ran prison cigarette slush fund. For five years under Kerik, the city’s Correction Department operated a charity foundation that took in and spent some $1 million in rebates from tobacco companies on cigarettes bought with taxpayer dollars and sold to Rikers Island inmates, which allowed the money to be spent outside rules that govern public expenditures.The rebates had gone into city coffers until Kerik became president of the foundation in 1995.

Kerik failed to list his position as the foundation's president in financial disclosure forms he filed and deferred questions about it to its treasurer, Frederick Patrick, also a deputy police commissioner, who eventually pleaded guilty to stealing $137,733 from the foundation and was sentenced to a year and a day in prison.

-- The nanny. In 2002 and 2003, Kerik failed to pay taxes for a family nanny-housekeeper who might have been in the country illegally. She returned to Mexico. The Kerik family employed the nanny for about a year, until his personal finances were reviewed after his nomination to head the Department of Homeland Security.


And after that:

-- Brush with corporate scandal. During Kerik’s tenure the Corrections Center bought multiple security doors from the company Georal (at a cost of $50,000 per door). The purchase was controversial; the doors were poorly sized, expensive, difficult to maintain, and many have never been used.
In 2003, Kerik was invited to join the board of Defense Technologies Systems; his advisory role granted him a commission on sales and a large number of stock options in penny stock. The next year, DTS earned the rights to sell Georal’s product, based on Kerik's introduction.

As Kerik's nomination looked likely in 2004, he returned his options to DTS. It is not clear whether he did so because of the recent scandal with Georgal, or to avoid scrutiny of his complicated financial relationship with the companies, given that his close associate Lawrence Ray had pleaded guilty two years prior to running penny stock pump-and-dump schemes for the mafia.

-- Another brush with corporate scandal. In 2004, Kerik was nominated to the board of Taser, giving him access to a large number of share options. On October 18th, 2004, selections of a government report studying the health risks of Taser's stunners was released; it found that the technology was "generally effective without significant risk." The company's stock skyrocketed, and Kerik exercised his options and realized a profit of more than $4.4 million. On November 26th, The New York Times questioned the validity of the government's report; only after the board sold shares worth $90 million was it discovered that the full report suggested there was "uncertainty in the results" of the tests.

-- Sued for legal fees. Kerik retained law firm Fulbright & Jaworski after his nomination to head the Department of Homeland Security was squashed and authorities began investigating his ties to Interstate, the mob-connected construction company. In October 2007, the law firm filed a lawsuit, claiming that Kerik has failed to pay $202,384 in legal fees.

Anonymous said...

Right Wing Blogger, John Hawkins, says: Why I Will No Longer Support John McCain For President
I've never been a fan of John McCain. Not only is he not a conservative, he may have done more damage to the conservative movement than any other Republican over the last few years. Look back at the Gang-of-14, global warming, McCain-Feingold, coddling terrorists at Gitmo, illegal immigration -- on and on and on, and you'll remember John McCain working feverishly with liberals to defeat conservatives.

For that reason, John McCain was not someone I backed for the Presidency. My order of preference for President was Duncan Hunter (whom I consulted for), Fred Thompson, Mike Huckabee, Mitt Romney, and then, John McCain. That's why, right before his big win in Florida, I wrote an extra column for Townhall called A Conservative Nightmare: Republican Nominee, John McCain.

Still, even in that column, which was meant to discourage people from voting for John McCain, I wrote,


Now, am I saying that Republicans should vote for a third party or stay home if John McCain is the nominee? Absolutely not. I don't believe in protest votes and besides, the presidency is bigger than any one issue.

After McCain took Florida and was practically a lock to capture the nomination, in keeping with my belief that it benefits conservatives to support the most conservative nominee, I wrote two columns called, Why You're Going To Vote For John McCain In November And Like It! & There's Nothing Conservative Or Principled About Helping A Democrat Beat John McCain In November.

I also got myself invited to McCain's teleconferences, raised money for him through Slatecard, and believe it or not, even contributed $25 to his campaign.

Admittedly that was tough for me because I wasn't a fan of the guy, but I believed that I had a responsibility, for whatever it was worth, to try to set an example. That was despite the fact that fighting amnesty is extremely important to me and John McCain was the chief Republican proponent of amnesty.

Of course, McCain claimed that he had changed his tune. Yes, he still supported amnesty, but he said he had heard the message that the American people were sending him and that he had been convinced that we needed security first, before we pursued an amnesty.

McCain said this over and over and over and over again. For example, here's John McCain in November of 2007,


John McCain spent months earlier this year arguing that the United States must combine border security efforts with a temporary worker program and an eventual path to citizenship for many illegal immigrants.

Now, the Republican presidential candidate emphasizes securing the borders first. The rest, he says, is still needed but will have to come later.

"I understand why you would call it a, quote, shift," McCain told reporters Saturday after voters questioned him on his position during back-to-back appearances in this early voting state. "I say it is a lesson learned about what the American people's priorities are. And their priority is to secure the borders."


Here's John McCain in February of 2008,


On the issue of illegal immigration, a position which provoked the outspoken opposition of many conservatives, I stood my ground aware that my position would imperil my campaign. I respect your opposition for I know that the vast majority of critics to the bill based their opposition in a principled defense of the rule of law. And while I and other Republican supporters of the bill were genuine in our intention to restore control of our borders, we failed, for various and understandable reasons, to convince Americans that we were. I accept that, and have pledged that it would be among my highest priorities to secure our borders first, and only after we achieved widespread consensus that our borders are secure, would we address other aspects of the problem in a way that defends the rule of law and does not encourage another wave of illegal immigration.

Here's John McCain, answering a question that I posed to him about illegal immigration on April 28, 2008:


As the recent immigration debate demonstrated, Americans have little trust that their government will honor a pledge to do the things necessary to make our border secure. As president, I will honor that pledge by securing the border, thus strengthening our national security. I will also require that, among other things, border-state governors certify that the border is secure before proceeding to other reform measures. However, I also believe that our immigration system must recognize that America will always be that "shining city upon a hill," a beacon of hope and opportunity for those seeking a better life built on hard work and optimism. Once we achieve border security, we must ensure that we approach our remaining immigration challenges with constructive dialogue and solutions that reflect a compassionate approach and the needs of our economy.

So, what you see here is that McCain has said, again and again, that he no longer supports comprehensive immigration reform. To the contrary, he has been saying that we need security first and then -- and only then -- could we consider moving forward with an amnesty.

Granted, I didn't trust McCain on this issue and I'd prefer never to have an amnesty, but still, a security first position beats comprehensive immigration reform.

On the other hand, after spending more than 6 months touting a security first position, winning the nomination only because he abandoned his pro-comprehensive immigration position, and running as "Mr. Straight Talk," I thought McCain would be reluctant to break his security first pledge once he got into office.

That's why I was more than a little bit disturbed when John McCain said the following last week,


"We get in this kind of a circular firing squad on immigration reform in the Congress of the United States and the lesson I learned from it is we’ve got to have comprehensive immigration reform."

Although the campaign didn't follow that up with any releases saying that McCain slipped up, I noticed that McCain seemed to be going back to his security first position when he was asked about immigration. So, I decided to ask the campaign about it and yesterday, I posted on the issue.

Here was my conclusion,


"What that leads me to believe is that McCain just screwed up, slipped into his old comprehensive illegal immigration rhetoric, and then, because the issue is so radioactive for him, decided he would be better off just leaving it alone rather than trying to explain it."

Incidentally, that conclusion? It wasn't just a guess. It was backed up by off-the-record comments that I'm not going to discuss in detail right now.

So, with that in mind, imagine my chagrin when I saw these comments in the New York Times last night (emphasis mine).


After several of the business leaders complained about the difficulty in obtaining temporary H1B visas for scientists and engineers, something the Senate immigration bill was supposed to address, Mr. McCain expressed regret the measure did not pass, calling it a personal “failure,” as well as one by the federal government.

“Senator Kennedy and I tried very hard to get immigration reform, a comprehensive plan, through the Congress of the United States,” he said. “It is a federal responsibility and because of our failure as a federal obligation, we’re seeing all these various conflicts and problems throughout our nation as different towns, cities, counties, whatever they are, implement different policies and different programs which makes things even worse and even more confusing.”

He added: “I believe we have to secure our borders, and I think most Americans agree with that, because it’s a matter of national security. But we must enact comprehensive immigration reform. We must make it a top agenda item if we don’t do it before, and we probably won’t, a little straight talk, as of January 2009.”

Mr. McCain asked others on the panels for suggestions about how to “better mobilize American public opinion” behind the notion of comprehensive immigration reform.


Put very simply: John McCain is a liar. He's a man without honor, without integrity, who could not have captured the Republican nomination had he run on making comprehensive immigration a top priority of his administration. Quite frankly, this is little different from George Bush, Sr. breaking his "Read my lips, no new taxes pledge," except that Bush's father was at least smart enough to wait until he got elected before letting all of his supporters know that he was lying to them.

Under these circumstances, I simply cannot continue to support a man like John McCain for the presidency. Since that is the case, I have already written the campaign and asked them to take me off of their mailing list and to no longer send me invitations to their teleconferences. I see no point in asking questions to a man who has no compunction about lying through his teeth on one of the most crucial election issues and then changing his position the first time he believes he can get away with it.

Moreover, I genuinely regret having to do this because I do still believe the country would be better off with John McCain as President as opposed to Obama or Clinton. However, I just cannot in good conscience cast a vote for a man who has told this big of a lie, for this long, about this important of an issue.

That being said, although I cannot back John McCain, encourage others to vote for him, or contribute any more money to his campaign, I'm not going to tell you that you should do that same thing. What McCain has done here is a bridge too far for me, but others may not have as big a problem with being told this sort of lie. That's their decision.

Furthermore, I will defend John McCain when I think he deserves to be defended, excoriate Barack Obama and/or Hillary Clinton at every opportunity, and I will continue to stand behind the sort of Republican candidates who actually deserve conservative support. But, what I will not do is vote for John McCain in November.


John Hawkins | 04:59 AM

Anonymous said...

I am amazed that the self righteous left and the usual suspects at CAIR are bent out of shape over mobile radiation sweeps. How many dead slaughtered by those who act in the name of the Religion of Rest in Peace do we need before you give your approval. Do we need 30,000 dead , 300,000 dead , 3,000,000 dead before it is a problem.

Feel free to sweep my appartment and cubicle for radiation. Just leave my Mountian Dew and Fritos where you found them. I have no problem with the government listening in on my phone conversations. Northwind to joey bing home joey bring back beer and womens razors. I do get upset when any girlfriend uses my razor on her legs but I don't know why.

Lets see the left thinks that terrorist must have equal rights. We are at war and this is not about law enforcement. This is the logical degeneration of a movement that aided and abeted Communist sedition. We have already seen the Commies defend the President of Iran's statements as not anti semitic. No doubt he will denounce the governments efforts to keep us from glowing in the dark racist paranioa. The fact that Muslims still do not constitute a race will not deter the brain impaired.

Hey Abdul if you want to place radioactive materials in your mosque do it in your home country. If you find that to be unreasonable nobody is forcing you to stay. There are plenty of places where you can abuse non Muslims with impunity and live under Sharia.

Hey Farouk if you and your pals think you have a right to gang rape women who do not dress in the manner you appove you are mistaken. Where are the feminist on this one as this excuse is being used in Europe and Australia. Feel free to try this in areas where the locals are armed. Rape is not your cultural birthright in my country. You wanted the world to move mountains when the Serbs did that to your women and I am glad it was stopped. But when Saddam's thugs or gangs in the West do the same act you hide behind your culture.

Hey Mahmoud you do not have the right to beat your wife. I do not care if it is in the Koran . If you insist on beating your wife take your family and leave.

Hey Ibrahim you do not have a right to honor kill your female relatives. If your daughter acts in a way you disapprove too bad. If she wants to dress or wear make up that is her right. If you do not like who she dates learn to live with it like the rest of us.

Hey Ahmed you get one wife in this country. You want more fine get out of the country and marry four. Why you need more then one wife is another question ? Maybe its because you are lazy and the women can talk to each other while you sit on the couch watching CNN .

The invention and usurpation of Civil law in the name of cultural sensitivity is no joke. What is next slavery or paying Jizyah ? Well historicaly non Muslims pay protection money and suffer humiliation. Maybe all you dhimmis should wear symbols on your clothing so we can identify you easier for beatings.

Bottom line if you want to live here obey our laws and live in Peace. The second you preach Jihad on US soil it is time to go. Immigrants have the duty to obey laws like the rest of us.

Anonymous said...

Lost in the Joe Wilson , CIA agent McGovern, Barack Obama fiasco is a glaring question. Who let these deranged far left wing narcisistic buffoons into government . The time has come to stop hiring people with Social science degrees in the State Department, CIA and FBI. We have had more then enough experience to know far left types are disloyal and serve nobody except their deranged internationalist bretheren.

The time has come for us to remove a great impediment to cleaning up our Universities of left Gulags. If Government removed an outlet of employment and dismantled the old Bolshevik network we could have patriotic self servants who look out for you rather then seek to be the center of attention.

This is a typical example of PC in a work place.

Supervisor: joey how does a woman from country X give birth to three kids after the age of 60.

joey: Well country X practices polygamy and a younger wife may do the actual ahem "Heavy lifting" and give credit to the most senior wife who has status.

Useless Lib: I am going to personel and filing a complaint over your racist and sexist use of the term Heavy lifting.

The conversation was not directed at or near useless lib but she has decided to be the local PC police. The truth is the vast preponderance of complaints come from a small handful of trouble makers who almost always have low productivity ratings.

The following terms were deemed in appropriate " use your coconut" was deemed sexual harassment.
Last I checked a coconut was still produce do we have any Vegiesexuals out there. I do not think of produce in sexual terms.

The use of sports terms like Foul Ball between men was sexist as it was claimed to be an attempt to exclude women and immigrants. Last I checked the coffee clutch could talk about Desperate Housewives a show with almost zero male viewership.

This hypersensitivity must obviously not extend to Joooooos. In the words of McGovern's OIL speech the I stands for Israel. A constant refrain from the insane far left is that Jooooooos have a dual loyalty problem . If there is one group that has a constant history of treason it is the far left. Any suggestion that a group of people who have bombed the US and preach warfare against non believers is racist. Last I checked Muslims, Arabs and Pseudostinians still do not constitute any known racial category.

How long would a crank pushing the envelope with anti black or gay conspiracies been tolerated. Lets see Colin Powell and Dr Rice are black so they must be negrocons. The media would have a similar field day about insane conspiracy theories about a velvet mafia controlling governmental policy.

Yet Ray McGovern"s anti semitic crank views never seemed to be cause for dismissal. Let's see are we back to the lefts usual some victims are more sacred then others game. Last I checked the Great conservatives Howard Dean and Susan Esterich denounced the Israel and the Jooooos had anything to do with Iraq canard as anti semitic.

Societal parasites and kooks belong far away from National security. Let them work in Starbucks and the DMV . They are uniformly lousy personnel who are poor team players. Placing idiots whose sole learning consists of Chomsky and I Rigoberta in areas of national security is foolish. Let them work in the private sector first and
real life experience.

Anonymous said...

The folks on the left have been looking for a Pastor Wright bit in McCain's camp. The charges are absurd and there is no comparison. Wright was Obama's personal clergyman and Hagee has no similar personal connections.

Moreover, his comments were at worst boneheaded. Some of the very same critics of Hagee defend Norm Finkelstein who is the world's foremost anti-semite. Hagee does not work with Holocausts deniers and visit Hezbollah regularly like Finkelstein. Finkelstein seem to be the only communist Pariah in Chicago with no Obama connection.

The media has an absurd standard on Jews. People like Hagee or Coulter get every utterance placed under intense scrutiny. The media placed Cindy Sheehan's anti semitic remarks under no scrutiny. After 9-11 Falwell made goofy remarks blaming gays for 9-11 and was castigated for days. A few thousand commies held a Nuremberg style rally while the buildings were still smoldering and blamed the Joooos and there was no coverage. The media will rarely point out
the communist leadership of so called Peace activists.

Anonymous said...

Hope you trolls like my rants. I'll make sure I post a couple a day here for good measure. Toodles.

Anonymous said...

John said...
Well, I admit, Suze, that I'm confounded.


It seems to me that you are terminally stupid, and no amount of explaining from me is going to help you.

Anonymous said...

John said...
Well, I admit, Suze, that I'm confounded.


It seems to me that you are terminally stupid, and no amount of explaining from me is going to help you.

Anonymous said...

...and you're obviously a psychologically repressed stutterer, no explanations needed. :)

Anonymous said...

dr. obvious (aka, passive-aggressive John) said...
...and you're obviously a psychologically repressed stutterer, no explanations needed. :)


No comment necessary to explain this one.

Anonymous said...

Another senior moment for McCain


p.s. Suze, pay no attention to the idiot-asshole John. And, Blossom, the guy is obviously nutso in addition to being an idiot-asshole.

John said...

smackie ordered:

"p.s. Suze, pay no attention to the idiot-asshole John."

And defamed:

"And, Blossom, the guy is obviously nutso in addition to being an idiot-asshole."

lol That wasn't a "smackdown." That was cockblocking.

Ignore *him,* girls. I'm a cock in the henhouse and he's the fox trying to separate you from me for obvious reasons.

Don't worry. I'll have foxfur caps and coats ready for you to wear in no time (just don't let anyone from PETA see you wearing them).

I said:

"Well, I admit, Suze, that I'm confounded."

Suze articulated:

"It seems to me that you are terminally stupid, and no amount of explaining from me is going to help you."

M-hm. That from the same crowd that blames Bush for essentially concluding the same thing about Sadaam and Ahmedinejad and faulting him for communication breakdowns and the failure in diplomacy.

Nice example you're setting, Suze, for "a better way."

suze said:

"dr. obvious (aka, passive-aggressive John)..."

False. I don't use aliases.

I'm just glad that you don't work for the State Department.

Anonymous said...

John, dude, your blog is really fucked up.

John said...

What else would you expect from "a nutso idiot asshole," smackie?

Anonymous said...

In Larry King's interview with Jon Stewart,

Larry brought up the subject of
the primaries and asked him
if America was ready for a woman
or a black president.

Jon looked at him quizzically and said
"This is such a non-question.
Did anyone ask us in 2000
if Americans were ready for a moron?"

That's some funny shit.

John said...

Maybe for smart-alecky twelve-year olds, Karl.

Anonymous said...

"My husband did not wrap up the nomination in 1992 until he won the California primary somewhere in the middle of June, right? We all remember Bobby Kennedy was assassinated in June in California. I don't understand it," she said, dismissing calls to drop out.

Gee, maybe if Barry hadn't already gotten the Klan endorsement from Robert Byrd, she'd still have a chance...

LOL!

Anonymous said...

Why September of 2007 represented the 'highwatermark' for the DNC...

On May 22, Petraeus was able to tell the Senate that "the number of security incidents in Iraq last week was the lowest in over four years, and it appears that the week that ends tomorrow will see an even lower number of incidents." On May 10, Maliki traveled to Mosul to oversee the launch of a campaign against al Qaeda. The number of attacks in Mosul has already been reduced by 85 percent. Acting CENTCOM commander Martin Dempsey says that Al Qaeda in Iraq is at its weakest state since 2003. Also last week, Iraqi soldiers entered radical Shiite cleric Moktada al-Sadr's Sadr City stronghold in Baghdad. They met no resistance.

The Iraqi army and government have done exactly what Democrats have asked of it, and the Democrats remain hostile. Their disdain and animosity has not diminished one iota. Nor has their desire to abandon Iraq to a grim fate.

We keep hearing that this year's presidential election will be about judgment. If so: advantage McCain. For when it comes to the surge, not only have Obama and his party been in error; they have been inflexible in error. They have been so committed to a false narrative of American defeat that they cannot acknowledge the progress that has been made on the ground. That isn't judgment. It's inanity.

Anonymous said...

...and Obama presents himself as the candidate of CHANGE. Truth in advertising should force him to present himself for what he really is, the candidate of WRONG.

Anonymous said...

Uh-Oh... even the DNCKKK party is starting to see through poor Barry...

As Barack Obama makes his slow but steady way toward the Democratic nomination, the assumption in the admiring precincts of the press corps is that voters have dismissed as irrelevant his longtime association with the Rev. Jeremiah Wright. But that may prove as mistaken as the assumption, back in 1988, that voters would not be impressed by Michael Dukakis's 11-year support of a law granting weekend furloughs to convicts sentenced to life without parole, an issue brought up in the primaries by Al Gore but largely ignored in press coverage at the time.

Evidence for this comes in the exit polls from the West Virginia and Kentucky primaries on May 13 and 20. In both, about HALF the voters — and these are voters in the Democratic primary — said that they believe Obama shares Wright's views either somewhat or a lot. And slightly under 50 PERECNT of these voters said that Obama is honest and trustworthy.

Anonymous said...

Leftist manufactured consent faces a backlash...

...as Toto pulls back another curtain and exposes the Ozman.

Anonymous said...

I wonder what'll happen when Toto pulls back the curtain on this one?

Anonymous said...

Look at this... the Demokkkrats now think it's okay to be a racist just so long as you have a guilty conscience...

Of course, the fact that there's NO REASON to feel guilty is beside the point.

Anonymous said...

The Los Angeles Times: "The skies over the economy have ominously darkened in recent days. The chief reason is oil. And there are signs the nation may have reached an economic tipping point after years of shrugging off the petroleum problem."

Anonymous said...

GOPigs losing another constituency...who have they got left...except the science haters and the Christian bigots?

Miami Herald: "The prominent Cuban-American organization that Republican President Ronald Reagan once counted on to secure victory in Florida was electrified on Friday by Democratic presidential candidate Barack Obama." 5/25

Anonymous said...

Jon looked at him quizzically and said
"This is such a non-question.
Did anyone ask us in 2000
if Americans were ready for a moron?"

That's some funny shit.


hahaha...man, our guys are so much better than theirs...what a tired pack of losers they're stuck with...the fat pill popper, goiter woman...migod what a stale pack of has beens. No wonder the youth of America are all going left.

Anonymous said...

It just keeps getting uglier and uglier...and it's such good advertising for the Christian right...people really need to know what these freaks are...this campaign is turning out to be very useful:
Hagee Hometown (San Antonio) Update: “Nobody should have been surprised that Pastor Hagee has made many hate-filled comments in the past in his books, his sermons and in numerous other venues,” Rabbi Barry Block said. “The comments about Hitler that have recently come to light may be particularly troubling to Jews, but we should be no less concerned by the hatred that he has spewed toward Muslims, Catholics, homosexuals and others in the past.” Apparently John McCain was the last to know. Not what you want in a president.


Bruce Wilson's recent video post on how John Hagee has claimed that God sent Hitler and the holocaust as a way to force the Jews to emigrate to Israel -- is rapidly gaining public notice. Yesterday, Sam Stein, a political reporter at The Huffington Post, picked-up on the story. And last night, Keith Olbermann, host of MSNBC's Countdown did a segment based on Bruce's shocking discovery. The New Yorker magazine's Ryan Lizza told Olbermann that
"on the offensive scale of one to ten, claiming that God sent Hitler to hunt down the Jews and force them to Israel, is about a 20."
Today, Rabbi Eric Yoffie, President of the Union for Refomed Judaism demanded an explanation from Hagee.

Anonymous said...

Hotdamn...it's starting to look like Mission Unaccomplished AGAIN...that must be so frustrating for all the yellow assed, little chickenhawks rooting on the sidelines:

Lawmakers loyal to al-Sadr denounce Iraqi gov't
Lawmakers loyal to anti-U.S. cleric Muqtada al-Sadr accused the Iraqi government of trying to crush the movement and warned Saturday of "black clouds" on the horizon for truces that have eased fighting...

Anonymous said...

McCain's record on supporting veterans is one of the worst in Congress. IAVA has given him a grade of a "D" for voting against veterans' priorities so often between 2000 and 2006. A scorecard of roll call votes compiled by the Disabled American Veterans found that McCain has voted for veterans funding bills only 20 percent of the time. For example, in May 2006, he voted against an amendment providing $20 billion to the Department of Veteran Affairs's (VA) medical facilities. In April 2006, he was one of just 13 senators to vote against providing $430 million to the VA for outpatient care "and treatment for veterans." McCain has railed against comprehensive universal health care and wants to give veterans the "freedom to choose to carry their V.A. dollars to a provider that gives them the timely care at high quality and in the best location." But as New York Times columnist Paul Krugman notes, "[T]he Veterans Health Administration is one of the few clear American success stories in the struggle to contain health care costs. ... [I]t's an integrated system -- a system that takes long-term responsibility for its clients' health -- to deliver an impressive combination of high-quality care and low costs." McCain's plan, however, would "privatize and, in effect, dismantle the V.A." In his narrow-sighted focus on eliminating earmarks, McCain may also cut funding for military housing.

John said...

Jesus Christ. You guys are like the orcs in Moria.

Anonymous said...

Take heart, john, some of these troglodytes are beginning to realize that confessions is good for the soul...

Anonymous said...

And you know what they say about roosting chickens. ;-)

Anonymous said...

...as for the anthropomorphic Hagee teapot tempest...

Jewish allies of the Rev. John Hagee rushed to his defense yesterday to say the Texas evangelist is not anti-Semitic despite Sen. John McCain campaign's repudiation Thursday of the evangelist's endorsement.

"John Hagee is one of the Jewish people's best friends," Los Angeles talk show host Dennis Prager said on the air yesterday morning. "Identifying John Hagee with anti-Semitism would be like identifying Raoul Wallenberg, the great Swede who saved thousands of Jews in the Holocaust, with anti-Semitism."

Orthodox Rabbi Aryeh Scheinberg, of Congregation Rodfei Sholom in San Antonio, appeared at an afternoon press conference yesterday to say Mr. Hagee's "words were twisted and used to attack him for being anti-Semitic."

In actuality, Mr. Hagee "interpreted a biblical verse in a way not very different from several legitimate Jewish authorities," the rabbi said.

"Viewing Hitler as acting completely outside of God's plan is to suggest that God was powerless to stop the Holocaust, a position quite unacceptable to any religious Jew or Christian," the rabbi said.

Anonymous said...

Poor Barrack. He's staring to lose the semantics game now, too. Pretty soon, he'll be reduced to standing on a soap box in Cabrini Green sputtering leftisms in harmony with the last gaspings of a dying breed of looney lefty losers.

Anonymous said...

The real nail in the DNC's 2009 political coffin is the political progress coming out of Baghdad.

BAGHDAD -- After two years in office, Iraqi Prime Minister Nouri al-Maliki has managed only in the past two months to stamp a semblance of authority in this unwieldy nation with bold crackdowns on Shiite militias and Sunni insurgents in Baghdad, Basra and the north.

The progress has brought the Shiite prime minister's political rehabilitation, quieting critics at home who have long seen him as ineffective, indifferent to corruption or biased toward Shiite interests.

It also has won him praise from American officials and the military, only months after some in the United States were calling for him to be replaced for failing to achieve political benchmarks. His current political buoyancy also comes in no small part from an overall drop of violence - the U.S. military said that last week it recorded the lowest number of attacks since April 2004.

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